Dying fish please help

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    ALLINKDUP

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    parts 1,2 and 3 from YouTube....there are lots of diy's there and I had some input on this one then again, there is always an OASE....they work pretty well but this guy wants to perfect his own...
     
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    Bottom drain....yes or no??
     
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    LOL we still have our original two koi both aged 27 years this year which is the time weve been keeping koi.
    There has been alot of learning done plus I suppose, (I've learned alott more by running the KKU website which sadly needs a buyer to keep things going its owner can no longer affoard to run it you see) but even if it folds It was three years of fun ,
    They are classed as our pets these two and as such wont be sold on to create more koi books equipment or food by their sale, these two will be with us till we retire from koi keeping .
    They are then going to a dear friends koi and goldfish rescue service who will put them in with her own to spend the rest of their days with her.

    rgrds

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    Mmathis, I do realize a new thread may create a few more ppl giving their opinions, but it sounds like I've come across a few ppl in this thread that know their shit when it comes to ponding, so its just as easy and less confusing for me posting a million threads for individual questions, thanks for the suggestion though

    Billy, no bottom drain, and I'm not worried about a DIY pump I will buy one, I'm just not sure if everyone uses one to keep the garbage from decaying on the bottom of the pond

    Dave, how big are your 27 yr old koi?
     
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    You should add air and stop feeding. This does not sound like Ick. Your population is high for a 2 month old pond. If they are gold fish and you do not have a QT I would still net any sick ones and remove them. I hope you solve your problem. Dave
     
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    Dave, we haven't had any fish die in days now, I think we made it past this growing/learning stage of the pond
    I treated the pond with some medicine, did a big water exchange, put a UV light in and voila, life goes on
    yes I was guilty of over stocking the pond but thankfully we didn't loose any of our koi, they must be strong and healthy

    we do have a 120 gal QT tank set up now and it has a few fish in it to help get the cycle going,
     
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    Dont you go kidding yourself that your through this as its just the start now comes the learning I suggest a great book thats an eye opener for any fish keeper the Interpet manuel of fish health read and digest and then put into practice what you've learned from this book Amazon sell them quite inexpensively so I'd buy it from there we have a huge fish/koi heath Library built up over the years adding to it as we find the right books.
    The question to the how big are our two oldest koi one is 24" the other a rescue koi never got any lager than it is now 6-7" tops.
    It just goes to show how you can stunt a fish if you dont know what your doing ( we found this koi living in fear with an Oscar as a tank mate ).
    Tiny may be small but his colour is imaculate brown top is now black top as thats the colour hes taken on since being put in a pond, they are nothing to right home about as koi go because they where bought when we didnt really know about the koi world.

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    Dave I'm not trying to kid myself or anyone else, as stated I said this stage, not that I'm a pro now, I realize I don't know shit about this or I wouldn't be asking for help lol
     
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    ok next question, we had a big thunderstorm today and it turned up the water, added about 3" to the pond, but now its green, I just pumped some out because we are getting more tonight I didn't want it to over flow, it was right at the top
    sooooo

    how do I get rid of the green water from the rain? water exchange I will be doing tomorrow when its done rainging
    what else can I do?
     
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    where applicable your uv will take care of the green water...the muddy will go away with settling...everybody wants a mud pond but the bad thing is you dont really see the koi unless they come up because they are eternally rooting/eating in the mud bottom and making a mess of things...ahh, the benefits of rubber liners
     
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    :) I'm glad you pond is doing better! Courious, did you add any batting to your filter? Weve had some pretty hard rain in the last few days, I use it in mine to catch the green algae ( the pea soup stuff ) and it will catch the mud and tiny specks of debre that the bio balls and what-not won't catch. The new rain fall in a young pond will turn green quickly, using the batting will help you get rid of it faster.
    Re: the UV lights- they will only take care of the single cell algae, the green "carpet algae" on your rocks it will not kill. But don't worry, your fish will eat it, AND the carpet algae will "eat" the Nitrites your pond is cycling, not as well as plants but it will help :) In the spring, when I start up the ponds, I delay feeding a bit so they will eat alot of the algae and clean the pond up, so to speak.
    Now then, did you talk about plants I can't remember? You can never have too many in there IMHO ( in my humble opinion )
    Myself, I have two ponds, the smaller one totally in the shade, with dapples of sunlight in the evening. The other is 50/50 with more morning sun. The larger pond has carpet algae, the other not so much, but a bit, the more sun you have the more you will get. Some ponders do not like "carpet algae" and try to get rid of it, I don't try because it's a never ending battle unless you have a bog with TONs of plants like rushes and such, they will starve the algae by sucking up the nitrites leaving them nothing to live on < meanies > lol
    And I like the natural look of the algae too.
    Now, when the heat of the summer comes, is when you really are going to have to test, test, test! The hottter the water is, the less Oxygen exchange you are going to get, and if your chemical parameters are not in check, your fish will struggle, so you're gonna really have to stay up on your game :)
    As far as vacuuming goes, if you do, try not to stir up the black crap on the bottom, it's where the bad bacteria are and it will wreak havoc on your fish, who's immune system is already struggling. I would suggest removing them into your quarantine tank until you are are finished cleaning and everything has calmed down again.
    Again, you're doing good to see they're doing well, and keep the questions coming, it's the way we learn lol. :)
     
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    Hey fishylove,
    no I never did add any batting at all, a water exchange and the UV light over a couple of days seemed to clear up the problem
    I know everyone keeps saying my pond is so young but I already have a green carpet on the rocks on put on the ledge and good part of the liner, I'm thinking that starter bacteria was a great idea the day after I filled up the pond
    I did talk about plants, I had a few under water plants now I have a lot more, I have about 5 bunches of submerged plants that are growing fast, I have some big hyacinths that also multiplying fast, then a couple of lillies that aren't doing so well lol and some tall grass type plant that was given to me for free,
    as for the pond vacuum a couple of ppl have told me it isn't such a great idea because of stirring up the algae, I'm glad I asked before I went and spent money on one

    Don
     
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