Fish gasping and frayed tail fins

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    Any possible suggestions on how I should proceed the next few days?

    - added Melafix tonight
    Larger fish are still gasping and 2 of them seem to be struggling - a few of the medium and smaller ones gasping
    - some of the other small ones appear to be lethargic while there are other small ones that appear to be getting better
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    yea, do every other day 25 percent water changes.
     
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    I would continue with 9 oz. of Melafix per day with no water changes for 4 more days with NO water changes (as directed by manufacturer).. I will admit this is just a guess since you have already added Melafix daily since Saturday (5 days) however the dosage the first two (2) days was corrupted with water changes.
    Have you able to closely inspect any of the fish including the ones that died for open sores, any evidence of parasites (white spots or splotches on the fish), have the gills been red, pink or white or brown?
     
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    Thank you for your help - I do appreciate it.
    1 medium fish dead this morning - frayed tail and with red streaks - couldn't see inside of gills
    - many fish have very frayed or shredded tails with a few streaks - alarming to see
    I am surprised that 2 of the larger ones made it through the night - they look like the most affected now - gasping alot around aerators with a third struggling but not as bad as the 2.

    I've been following the amountsts given on the Melafix for my size pond (550 gal) - says 15ml/150 gal which makes it just under 2oz - Should I increase this?

    Also - should I give them some type of medicated food for tail rot or some other treatment?
    - should I add more salt? (currently 0.02% or less)
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    How many fish are left?
    I still stand by the fact that if you do water changes (every day now 25 to fifty percent) you can save the rest of your fish.
    This isn't a "scientific" thing for me its just the way I think, if you add more medicines to the already bad water, (why is it bad? fish are dying in it. Weather fungal or bacterial, its IN the water column) its like breathing through a straw for the fish (the way I think of it), so if you do a water change everyday until you see GOOD results, than its like giving the fish fresh air every day (fresh air, being fresh CLEAN water)

    Just my opinion again, the way I do things and it hasn't failed.
     
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    There's still quite a few fish - about 4 large 8-9" & abt 4 medium (4-5" ) & abt 20 small (3")
    Probably 85% have very long tails
     
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    I would not add any additional salt.
    Continue with your present dosage.
    Medicated food is no longer available without a prescription from a vet.
    Water changes will only dilute the dosage. The recommended level of melafix needs to be maintained in the water column if any meaningful results are to be seen.
     
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    Today's water testing (Thursday Aug 2) water is clear
    Phosphate 0.25 - 0.5 (slightly down from Tues. which was .5 - 1)
    Nitrate 5mg/L (same as Tues.)
    pH 8 - 8.2 (much higher from Tues - rained today and huge rain stormTues afternoon for about 2 hrs)
    Ammonia 0 - .1
    Nitrite 0.1 - 0.2 (less than Tues.)

    -added Melafix today

    Could the higher pH be caused by the rain storms? Forecast is rain again tomorrow. I will test pH again tomorrow - should I do something because it is high?

    Have a new resident in the pond - a medium sized frog - don't know where it came from as there are no neighbours within a 3 block radius with ponds. A few have swimming pools but they don't have frogs.
    Could it cause problems to my pond? Should I try to remove it and re-establish it to a stream that's about a mile away?
     
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    First thing that you need to do is relax.
    Everything is not a problem.
    No, the rain would not cause the pH to rise and this pH is not high. A pH reading in the range of 6.5 - 8.5 is considered ideal for aquatic life.
    Frogs ( and toads and insect larvae and countless other critters) consider your pond as a possible home. A pond is not for just fish, in fact, because they are at the top of the food chain, are the least important to a pond's ecology.
    Test results look fine.
    Keep us posted on the progress of the fish.
     
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    Meyer Jordan Thank You!! for your attention and encouragement! I so appreciate your help and info.
    I am so worried that things will not straighten out before I leave for my niece's wedding.
    There are still 5 days to go so there is time still.
     
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    Meyer Jordan Tadpole

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    You are most welcome. We are all here to help as we can.

    If there is improvement in the fish's condition, you should begin to se signs of it within the next 2 - 3 days. I just hope that treatment was begun soon enough. Don;t give up hope.
     
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    Today did a 25% water change and cleaned filter. Many of the fish are doing much better - were interested if feeding but only giving very small amounts 2x a day. Overall the majority have perked up and are acting normal although a few have compromised tails with some shredding.

    Water is clear and numbers are good.
    Posphate .25
    Nitrate - less than 5
    Ammonia 0
    pH 7.6
    Nitrite 0.1

    * One of the larger fish (abt 7" long) appears to be struggling - hiding in the rocks, wedging itself in and also isolating itself in the general pond area. It is not really gasping any more but fin clamped, tail badly shredded and it appears that it has a few small patches of scales lost (abt 3). There are no white fuzzy spots or bumps.

    There is also another larger fish (7") whose tail has red streaks.
     
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    Great news!!
    The frayed tails will grow back over time.
    Fish are like humans, some respond to medical treatment more readily than others. Since none of the fish seem to be any worse, it appears that you have halted the progression of whatever stressor was causing this issue.
    Continue to monitor the fish and please report back any additional progress or if the condition of the Two (2) remaining fish that are still manifesting symptoms worsens.
     
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    Thanks so much for your help!! You have been terrific! I am grateful for all of the advice!! I have to admit that I laughed at the comment "you have to relax"! I'm not usually this intense but I am leaving Wed for a week for my niece's wedding and don't want to leave problems for my neighbour who will be looking after the pond and flowers. She has an big aquarium so is familiar with fish & water situations.

    Yes I'm hoping that the majority are on the road to recovery as none have died in the last 3 days - yeah!!
     
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    Inform your good neighbor not to overfeed the fish. Better they be underfed. No need to risk compromising the water quality at this point
     
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    I'm so happy things are looking better!
     
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    Yes I will definitely remind her about the feeding - I've been giving them food sparingly.

    Again, I do appreciate the terrific encouragement and support!
     
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