Flashing...How much is too much?


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Lol yes I agree I do baby my Shubbies but I baby all my animals. However it's their fault I wasn't expecting goldfish to be so endearing with personalities and everything. I am a helicopter fish mom. I confess.
Nothing wrong with that. Most of us consider them members of the family. You are doing a good job taking care of your babies.
 
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Ok so is jumping flashing too? And lets say they flash once or twice a day or four times in a day 2 to 3 times a week? I know constantly is too much but after that I am a bit lost as to how much is normal.. Especially if everything else is normal with their behavior. I had this trouble when I got my conure with her sneezing. How much was too much and how much is normal. How often do your goldfish/ koi flash in normal health?
 

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Ok so is jumping flashing too? And lets say they flash once or twice a day or four times in a day 2 to 3 times a week? I know constantly is too much but after that I am a bit lost as to how much is normal.. Especially if everything else is normal with their behavior. I had this trouble when I got my conure with her sneezing. How much was too much and how much is normal. How often do your goldfish/ koi flash in normal health?
I had something similar this spring and ordered Proform C, but didn't use it as I couldn't quite figure out how extensive a problem it was. Thing is, in spring, this is more common as the fish come out of torpor and the water is still cold, so I waited. Didn't use it, as noted. Your issue though is you have warm water and end of summer temps. From your description, were they my fish, I'd hold off until the frequency is heightened. And yeah, my fish jumped too. I MAY have had a parasite problem and I may not but nature helped, apparently, and I didn't see any flashing since then.

So, I'm not a lot of help, I know, but I'd watch. If they do it constantly and are darting plus jumping, you could apply a parasitical chem, following the directions explicitly. It's either going to get better or worse, as in my case. I didn't want to do such huge water changes and I couldn't easily confirm my gallonage, so I was hesitant without clearer evidence I had an issue. The Proform C wasn't cheap, but I got it just in case and will be ready should I need it.
 
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yeppa, John; you're the only one with fish shenanigans on their mind!!!!


:p :p :p :p :cool:
Lol I had what appeared to be spawning earlier in August but no fry. Apparently my Shubbies wanna run me through the gambit of fish behavior before the winter so I am ready to hit the ground running in the spring!
 
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90% of the time when fish start flashing it is gill flukes that is the problem . while costia and others can be a problem as well it seems gill flukes are usually the culprit. One of the usual signs can also be gasping for air as the gills are inflamed and harder for them to breath.

Like others have noted shutting down the falls is a bad idea. When the water is shut down the water can get foul and sulfur can be the end result and sulfur dioxide is deadly to fish. And again as mentioned surface agitation is key to replenishing 02 though an air stone in my book will give you just about all the 02 you'll need for the most part . now the o2 levels will never peak out with air stones but it is enough for most species of fish . the last note is the colder the water the more o2 it can hold the warmer the less o2 the water will be able to hold
 
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90% of the time when fish start flashing it is gill flukes that is the problem . while costia and others can be a problem as well it seems gill flukes are usually the culprit. One of the usual signs can also be gasping for air as the gills are inflamed and harder for them to breath.

Like others have noted shutting down the falls is a bad idea. When the water is shut down the water can get foul and sulfur can be the end result and sulfur dioxide is deadly to fish. And again as mentioned surface agitation is key to replenishing 02 though an air stone in my book will give you just about all the 02 you'll need for the most part . now the o2 levels will never peak out with air stones but it is enough for most species of fish . the last note is the colder the water the more o2 it can hold the warmer the less o2 the water will be able to hold
Yes I understand all these things but when the waterfall is off the double aerator is on. It runs 24hrs a day. I've tested everything I can think of with the water and everything tests perfect. The flashing, or what I think is flashing, is occasional and for the most part the smaller blue one is they one doing it. He's also not eating much compared to the larger one either. Choosing to nibble mostly on what's in the pond and that seems less then it was. The water temp is 66.9 as of yesterday so I am having a hard time deciding if the lower appetite is due to the cold water or illness. Physically his body condition looks great. The larger one surface breaths when I turn the aerator down at all but I suspected potential copper or chloramine poisoning about a month ago. I took care of the issue but I wonder if her gills were left permanently damaged.. OR are we dealing with an ongoing gill flukes issue! My problem is the things I am seeing aren't consistent and they aren't acting in a way that screams "I am sick!" I am hesitate to treat without be certain something is wrong.
 
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Dont treat the pond . isolate the fish in question placing in a hospital tank and treat only that fish
 
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Ok then how do i reintroduce the fish safely after treatment? The water has cooled to 66.9 F in the pond and there's a cold front coming. my hospital tank set up is in my house. The temperature difference is gonna be 8 degrees or more. I don't know how to cool the water slowly enough to reacclamate them safely.
 
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That is not as hard as you may think scoop some water from the pond and set up a drop system add the water slowly. Take them from the house in a bucket. Let the water cool on its own if with 20 degrees it'll take an hour to chill
 
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Ok then how do i reintroduce the fish safely after treatment? The water has cooled to 66.9 F in the pond and there's a cold front coming. my hospital tank set up is in my house. The temperature difference is gonna be 8 degrees or more. I don't know how to cool the water slowly enough to reacclamate them safely.
it's sort of like how you acclimate fish you've bought and have been shipped via plane into a warmer summer pond; very very slowly! I usually let them sit in the bag for 30 minutes, adding a cup or so of pond water to the bag. Then, over the next 1-1/2 hours, I add more water at 15 minute intervals. This is also to allow them to get used to a different pH, KH, water parameters in general. You shouldn't have to worry about any of those if you start up your hospital tank using pond water to start.

I've actually heard both pieces of advice; treat the whole pond and treat the individual. I think if you KNOW you have parasites in the pond (on your fish), odds are you should treat the whole thing. An individual fish with something like fungus, fin rot, even ich, I'd treat individually but others have their own methods.

Just a thought.
 
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That is not as hard as you may think scoop some water from the pond and set up a drop system add the water slowly. Take them from the house in a bucket. Let the water cool on its own if with 20 degrees it'll take an hour to chill
I am not familiar with a drop system can you suggest a resource? Also I thought I had read somewhere you should never change the temperature of a fishes water more then 6 degrees in 24 hours or you'll stress them too much
 
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it's sort of like how you acclimate fish you've bought and have been shipped via plane into a warmer summer pond; very very slowly! I usually let them sit in the bag for 30 minutes, adding a cup or so of pond water to the bag. Then, over the next 1-1/2 hours, I add more water at 15 minute intervals. This is also to allow them to get used to a different pH, KH, water parameters in general. You shouldn't have to worry about any of those if you start up your hospital tank using pond water to start.

I've actually heard both pieces of advice; treat the whole pond and treat the individual. I think if you KNOW you have parasites in the pond (on your fish), odds are you should treat the whole thing. An individual fish with something like fungus, fin rot, even ich, I'd treat individually but others have their own methods.

Just a thought.
Agreed with the odds are all are probably infected but when some one has never worked with meds before start slowly
 
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Past two days flashing has stopped and the fish are active and acting great. Blue one has been picking more at things in the pond. So I am back to wait and see a little longer. Since their activity seems normal again I am going to try a small amount of pellets just to confirm their appetite is as should be. Haven't fed them in 2 to 3 days.

UPDATE: NEVERMIND! My sky blue just turned me into a liar and flashed big as daylight! Scraping his side along the soil in the lilly basket I think they're toying with me..bad fish! Bad bad fish!
 
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Past two days flashing has stopped and the fish are active and acting great. Blue one has been picking more at things in the pond. So I am back to wait and see a little longer. Since their activity seems normal again I am going to try a small amount of pellets just to confirm their appetite is as should be. Haven't fed them in 2 to 3 days.

UPDATE: NEVERMIND! My sky blue just turned me into a liar and flashed big as daylight! Scraping his side along the soil in the lilly basket I think they're toying with me..bad fish! Bad bad fish!
you know, you can always tell someone new to the genre because we find them talking to their fish and in tones that are subservient...heh heh.:D:D
 
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I would go ahead and treat them for flukes, leaving the fish in the pond. If you do it right at the correct dosage, it won't hurt them. And your pond is not that big, so it won't break the bank.

Good luck.
 
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I would go ahead and treat them for flukes, leaving the fish in the pond. If you do it right at the correct dosage, it won't hurt them. And your pond is not that big, so it won't break the bank.

Good luck.
I ordered more General cure today so I can treat the entire pond and did another water change to try and keep sky comfortable.
 
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I am going to use general cure as it claims to be safe for frogs. I have a wild bullfrog that hangs around that I have to mindful of as well. I believe GC has praziquantel. Probably in a different amount.
 

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