I don't know what the babies are

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    I have a pond with a couple large koi and then fancy tail goldfish and just regular goldfish. They spawned and one looks like a shubunkin but i,have no shubunkin. Would regular goldfish produce the calico coloring ? It's been that color since it was visible swimming in my pond.
     

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    Koi will have little barbs or whiskers near mouth much like a catfish. First pic suggest a comet or shubunkin on left right is most likely a goldfish. so based on what you have in the pond you have a hybrid or 2
     
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    Thanks for the reply. It moves fast but I haven't seen any barbells. Since I have no shubunkins or comets ... can regular goldfish produce one that looks like the one on the left?
     
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    I can not properly answer that question I will leave that to others.

    I hope you don't have any friends or family who thought they be nice or whatever just swing buy and drop you off a new surprise. If anyone did that to me i'd flip out worse then any one has seen
     
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    I have had koi babies that don't look anything like their parents. With cross breeding , you may get any color patterns from either parent or something totally different.
     
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    one of my babies and the barbels were hard to see but they were there after closer inspection 101_1636.JPG
     
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    It has grown ALOT since we first spotted them. All of the goldfish have slowly changed colors. This one hasn't changed. The mouth also looks a bit different. I go put and watch them daily ... I'll try paying more attention if I can spot any barbels. We have about 6 babies that survived and all the others are very obvious goldfish.
     
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    First photo of one of the goldfish. went from black, to solid orange, and now getting white on its belly.

    Second pic is the colorful baby close up. Looks as tho it's mouth points more down.
     

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    I can see what looks like barbels by enlarging the pic you put up
     
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    You mentioned that they spawned. Who exactly are "they". If you have a male and female Koi this could very well be a young Koi as the one in the photo appears to be. How long ago was this 'spawn'?
     
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    Hello! I have seen you are very much an expert on here, glad to Have you respond! I really don't know which ones have spawned. I know we for sure have baby goldfish. This one just looks different than the rest.

    Also we continue to have some foam in our pond. I don't know if they are continuously spawning and how to stop it. I don't know which ones are to separate.
     
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    Meyer Jordan Tadpole

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    Thanks for the compliment, but that may fit into the category of "Fake News" being discussed in another thread.

    If temperature are right, Goldfish will spawn approximately every 30 days and even though they (and Koi) eat the eggs, some always manage to escape foraging and hatch. I think that may be the case here. Your two Koi spawned (it only takes two) and this little fellow (or girl) managed to survive. It appears to be several months old which would time it just right with the Spring spawning that Koi are noted for.
     
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    2nd one looks more Koi like with those colours and patterns as opposed to a shubunkin, and as koi are bottom feeders, that would explain the more downward pointing mouth that you see.
     
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    second one is koi , others are probably goldies
     
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    The first one looks like a fantail .Just look at his tail .But body is longer than a fantail
     
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    My fish have been spawning like crazy this year. Do they ever know when to stop? I ask this seriously: will they get a sense that their environment can't support more of them? I started with 3 koi, 4 orfe, 3 shubunkin, 2 comets, and 1 fantail. (I actually started with a few more than that, but a heron stopped by in May.) I have too many fish to count now. Many of the babies/juveniles look like they could be koi, which scares me. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that there are 40 new fish on top of the originals. And new batches just keep coming. The pond is very healthy right now (tons of plant filtration, bolstered considerably by a waterfall/stream combo with lots more plants). I also have a pressure filter/waterfall combo that is ready to be installed next year, after I get some electrical work done in the yard--and more time, as I ran out of gas for doing any more big projects this year after adding a patio and considerable landscaping to the pond area.

    I am thinking of the multiplier effect here, and I envision my fish total easily exceeding 100 by the end of next year if the behavior doesn't change, and fast. It's been kind of mind boggling how quickly but continuously the fish total has climbed in the first year of this pond's existence. Is there anything I can do? On the plus side, the new fish are mostly all pretty awesome looking, and include at least 5 black ones, which are kind of strange but cool.
     
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    No, they don't know when to stop. You can rehome them, many on here do.
    I have the same mixture of fish (orfes, koi, goldfish), all reproduce in my pond. However, they are not the top of the food chain in my pond (turtles, bullfrogs, snakes, occasional heron visit) so many of the young don't see adulthood.
     
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    Thank you for being the bearer of bad news. I think I'll try to work out an arrangement with my local pond shop. With what I have now and especially after I add the secondary filtration system, which will be substantial, I should be able to handle what I've got unless more than a couple of the young ones are koi. But if either there are more koi than that or they keep reproducing at anything like this rate, my pond will be pushed past its limit in two or three years. Are koi/goldfish hybrids at least smaller than regular koi?

    Also--I see you're in Maryland. Do you think you might want some fish next year?;)
     
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    I don't feed when they are spawning, they inhale the eggs. So far this has kept my level of fish in a very good range.
     
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    it depends on food too , if u feed them high protein they will breed more and if u feed them more as whole they will spawn more , this is in case of goldfishes particularly. but ur problem is they are all mixed if u feed them less , the koi will suffer
     
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