Koi laying on his side

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    Glad to hear they're doing well :)
     
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    very interesting. I think this is true. So, I noticed another koi I bought late August. just saw last night that it was sitting on it's side and I thought, OH KNOW, here we go again. By mid-day today, she seems to be slightly better. I went and bought a 100 gallon stock tank and any one I see on it's side I will bring in. The only fish in my pond that seem to be doing alright are the few i had from my first winter. thoise came from someone who was getting rid of a pond in my climate zone. i was also told to just bring the indoor tank temp to 50F. enough for them to thaw but still not come fully into summer habits.
     
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    I'm going to try and document the process from when i find the fish at the bottom of the pond. FYI, Pond max depth is 34". total with 2 streams and waterfall about 5,000 gal. . I just brought another "newer" Koi in from the cold. His name is Pablo. I will get video as well. So, the pond temp is 38F. As water warms up inside garage, you'll see how he does.. Well I hope as the other 2 did... The first photo is in the pond. He was there for 5 hours same position flat on his side. Second is in temp holding bin until he hopefully revives.

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    As an aside, I would like to mention how clear your pond water is, but I can not detect any algae growth on any submerged surface.
     
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    Hi Meyer, the water has always been really clear except for a few times. I think the Sludge remover treatments help. Here's a short video i took with my iphone. You can see Pablo and then some of the other fish by their cave entrance

     
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    Oh dear, hate seeing your koi like that :( What type of sludge remover treatments are you using and how often?

    So now you have three koi that have been affected like this?
     
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    Yes, three now. It's so weird... and not all at once, So, Pablo, the one in the video, is already starting to move much better. It's like his swim badder is thawing out. When you see a fish at the bottom of your pond, totally still for hours on his side, It's hard not to take action. I mean he looked totally dead and if I nudged him with the net, he just floated back to the bottom. I'll add another video in a few hours if Pablo starts moving more to show difference. I hope this isn't worthless, it's just such a learning experience I never expected.

    For pond treatments, in the summer I use Microbe-lift SA (sludge away) once a month per directions. And then I use the Microbe-lift PL once week as prescribed for beneficial bacteria.
     
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    Ruben Miranda I am so confused

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    He.looks bloated in the pic and (hard to say) but the scales also look to be extended.

    I might have missed it
    But do you feed them ?
    As he could be blocked up

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    I started with wheatgerm based food at temp around 50f, then stopped feeding completely once below that. but temp did drop fast. I think your right, he does look a little bloated but last feeding was probably late October.
     
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    OK.. Here's Pablo only a few hours out of the pond. temp close to 40F in container.

     
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    Wow, the koi absolutely looks better :)
     
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    Ruben Miranda I am so confused

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    Hello

    He looks much better in the vid and he does not look bloated.

    As others have said some fish just do not do well in cold temps for a few seasons, and also what ever it is causeing him to get bloated takes affect in real cold water.
    ? Is he other fish sucking air from the top of the water or sucking algae off the edge near the top and in doing so sucking air in.

    In Any case you will have to keep him in doors for the winter.
    Bigger tub and filter is in your future

    Ruben
     
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    An absolute necessity.
     
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    Thanks Ruben, now that he's warmed up, I'm getting ready to transfer him later tonight in the the 100 gallon tub. I guess my new questions is, I wasn't ready for this... What kind of filter do I get? I bought a basic "live stock Tank" from the farm store. Not sure how to filter it? I changed out the drain plug and added a valve and a standard garden hose connector when I need to drain for a water change. But a little confused on how to get a filtration system going.

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    Ruben Miranda I am so confused

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    Well a decent canister filter would work as long as it is a 100 gallon capable or are you thinking more of a diy filter.

    You could get a
    2 gallon plastic flower bucket
    Bio balls or lava rock
    A pump 150 gpu or better (i would do 250 gph)
    Filter pads course and fine
    Some tubing and conections 3/4 or the size to hook up to front of pump

    Drill a hole bottom of pot for connection not the bottom but at the bottom on the side.
    Hook up pump with tubing and connectors
    Fill pot with bio balls or what ever about 2 or 3 inchs from the top
    Cut filters to size as tire a fit you can
    Put it in the tub and plug it in.
    It would be good if the water coming out of the pump could break the top of the water as this will add 0-2

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    Hi Ruben, I like the canister idea, but most likely not a DIY project at this point. I'll get online and start searching.
     
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    What are you presently using for your pond. You can 'steal' some of the filter media to seed the new filter...saving yourself some cycling time for the holding tank.
     
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    Ahh.. good thought Meyer. My pond is a bit different then most, It's more of what you'd call an eco-pond. Not your traditional waterfall into the pond and terminating with a skimmer box. I have one large bio-fall that splits into two falls. Inside the waterfall box is a set of media filters. from the water fall there's a 15 foot or so stream that feeds the main pond. then goes info another 15+ foot stream and then a final waterfall into a large 1500 gal underground reservoir. I don't have one picture that shows it all, but outside of the bio-filters, not sure I have something that I can borrow from there.
     
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    OK. I see. You have 30+ feet of stream that is providing your pond's current nitrification demands. Perhaps a few rocks from the stream beds would accomplish the same seeding. Unless, of course, you have no loose rocks in the streams.
    If this is the case, do you have extra media filter pads for the biofalls unit. You can sacrifice one of the current pads and cut it into pieces that will fit into what ever biofilter you purchase. Voila! Instant cycled biofilter.
     
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    Ruben Miranda I am so confused

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    I just got (well last month) 2 fluval 406 canisters for my 100 g aquarium and I am very pleased with them. The price is good to they run around 160.00 a pc if I remember right got them at Dr foster.
    I had the 304 and they worked good for like 15 years so fluval makes a great product.
    Of course there are better price ones like the ehieams and they have good rep but never had one.

    I would also push for at,least a small pump or air pump with a stone as soon as posiable well you get.the canister ordered and set up.

    Ruben
     
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