Concrete better, even for a huge pond?

[WaterLilly]

Hi Waterlilly. Welcome back to GPF. It sounds like you are very industrious. Is this pond going to be in Azerbaijan the country you listed when you joined GPF? It's very interesting. I don't know a lot about that country but it seems that some of the land there does not not get a lot of rain. If you don't mind me asking a few questions...Where will you be getting the water? Also i was just curious if you are close to the mountains? Also are you from the US originally? It seems like you have an excellent command of English.

Thanks for your kind questions sir. Happy to answer.

Yes, indeed. I am from Azerbaijan. I have tap water and well water here. But well water provides about 500-1000 gals a day, which means not much help for filling a huge pond. Tap water is fine but 1 dollar for 1000 liters. Not cheap really. I am from a high elevation but i would call it a pluto more than mountains.

Wow, it was flattering to hear that. No, i am not from the USA. I just lived there for a year.

Thanks.

 

[Lisak1]

I don't know why you are acting so offensive and suspicious

Sorry if you were offended. It just seemed odd that you would ask for opinions and then say you didn't have time to stick around and read them - that was the suspicious part. And from what I remember, everyone was pretty good natured about the whole situation.

Your explanation makes sense, although I would still give anyone who asked the same answer about going that deep with a pond - reinforce. It sounds like you got advice from someone with experience excavating in your terrain, so that's good. But I would still advise that people consult with local building codes - what works in one area may not work in another.

 

[Lisak1]

Who said you are limited to having one pond a lifetime?

Not me! Especially at the ripe old age of 16! I can see many ponds in your future!

 

[Mmathis]

Hey, everyone here is more than willing to help, but we may need to catch up on what your situation is.

@WaterLilly, @MitchM speaks for me as well. Some people are offended when we ask questions, but our questions aren't intended in that way. We ask questions in order to get a better idea of what's going on in your particular situation -- the more information we have, the better able we are to help you. In your location, you have different climate conditions than most of us are used to dealing with. You also probably have way different soil. And you probably have different equipment available to you as well as a different infrastructure.

 

[Mmathis]

You need to read his original pond post - he was proposing a pond that was 10 feet deep on one end. Way more than 1-3000 gallons. If I remember he eventually reduced it to 6 or 7 feet, but it was still a big dig. And the whole mystery was the big rush he was in to get it dug and done in one day.

@DutchMuch ?

https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/in-trouble-with-excavation.19946/

 

[sissy]

Considering the fact that he lives in a very dry area he may have to also consider the evaporation rate he will encounter with any pond built .May have to consider a smaller pond to see how anything would hold up to it

 

[DutchMuch]

I can see many ponds in your future!

Cant we all LOL

 

[Mmathis]

Considering the fact that he lives in a very dry area he may have to also consider the evaporation rate he will encounter with any pond built .May have to consider a smaller pond to see how anything would hold up to it

True, but apparently his other pond went well.... Wasn't there a pic he posted of that? I have evaporation issues, and I live in the hot, himid South, where water for top-offs isn't an issue.

 

[sissy]

even humidity can cause evaporation .It is hot and humid here I can loose an inch or 2 a day .In the early morning with the cool nights being around 50 degrees and days in mid to high 80's I get a fog coming off my pond in the morning .During July and August we get very little rain and really hot sunny days .

 

[Meyer Jordan]

even humidity can cause evaporation

I am sure you meant to say 'lack of' humidity can cause evaporation. Water loss due to evaporation will always be greater with low humidity.

 

[sissy]

no even humidity can suck more moisture into it .I was watching the weather channel and they did a story on how a pond can loose water to even high humidity .They showed large 1 acre ponds with the mist early in the morning and how it was pulling water from the pond into the air .They said it happens more when temps. are high during the day and cool down a lot at night and how the mist was from the pond water being pulled up and that it did not matter if it was high humidity or low humidity .But more would be pulled up with lower humidity They even measured the lose .It was an interesting story .

 

[sissy]

I have seen it with my pond more this year because of the temperature swings we have had .I have had a mist coming up from my pond and we are in a high humidity area also .

 

[Meyer Jordan]

no even humidity can suck more moisture into it .I was watching the weather channel and they did a story on how a pond can loose water to even high humidity .They showed large 1 acre ponds with the mist early in the morning and how it was pulling water from the pond into the air .They said it happens more when temps. are high during the day and cool down a lot at night and how the mist was from the pond water being pulled up and that it did not matter if it was high humidity or low humidity .But more would be pulled up with lower humidity They even measured the lose .It was an interesting story .

Which is exactly what I stated--
"Water loss due to evaporation will always be greater with low humidity."

 

[MitchM]

Stating "high humidity" or "low humidity" is no better than saying "all my water parameters were perfect".
Evaporation or heat loss, unless we're talking about actual numbers, the discussion will accomplish nothing.

 

[Meyer Jordan]

Stating "high humidity" or "low humidity" is no better than saying "all my water parameters were perfect".

Not really. High humidity is any value greater than 60%, low humidity in considered any value less than 40%, Between 40% and 60% humidity is considered optimal. And there is a difference (and formula) between evaporation and convective heat loss.

 

[MitchM]

Not really. High humidity is any value greater than 60%, low humidity in considered any value less than 40%, Between 40% and 60% humidity is considered optimal. And there is a difference (and formula) between evaporation and convective heat loss.

I'm going to start a separate thread for evaporation and/or heat loss.
I think it's an interesting topic that a lot of people have questions or make assumptions about.

 

[Mmathis]

Not really. High humidity is any value greater than 60%, low humidity in considered any value less than 40%, Between 40% and 60% humidity is considered optimal. And there is a difference (and formula) between evaporation and convective heat loss.

And if you live in an area with high humidity, you don't need numbers to tell you anything. All you have to do is walk outside.....and it will take your breath away!