Hi there. New member and pond novice.

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    Hows ur fishes now? Are they alive , add 10% fresh water daily
     
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    Hows ur fishes now? Add 10% fresh water daily
     
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    We backwashed 3 or 4 times and added water to the pond over the weekend. We tested the water from the hose BEFORE we added it to the pond and found 0 ammonia and chlorine. So the ammonia in the pond is not coming from the hose water. By last night we had significantly lowered the ammonia and our last test at about 11 p.m. was about .50 ppm - HUGE improvement. And for the second night in a row the fish were very active! From twilight around 8:30 till our last check at about 11 they were swimming, playing in the waterfall, looking like normal fish! We even gave them a little bit of food which they happily ate. This morning they are back under the lilies and in their little den but we saw, on this forum I believe, that young fish will hide until they get used to their environment, so hopefully they will continue their night time activities and get used to their new home.
     
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    @LorraineT Unless your water has chloramines added, the ammonia isn't coming from the water (our water does, so I have to neutralize that as well as chlorine). The ammonia is coming from the waste your fish are excreting. If the ammonia is reading THAT high [11ppm], you might want to add something specifically to neutralize ammonia, but keep doing the water changes. A high ammonia level can/will cause damage to the gills.

    Be sure you are feeding VERY sparingly if at all. They will survive, believe me, but the more you feed, the more waste they are going to put out.

    Please keep us posted!
     
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    Mmathis TurtleMommy

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    @LorraineT When you say "back washing," what exactly do you mean?


    How are things going?
     
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    Well we have been having a couple if good days! The fish come out at night & seem pretty normal but during the day - hot days as you know I'm sure - they hide out under the lilies in their 'den'. Seemed like we had the water under control but it rained a lot yesterday and today nitrates are reading 'dangerous high' on the test strip! We've had the US filter turned off for a week per the Pond guy so The algae & bacteria can 'take hold'. So grateful for your help- what r we doing wrong now???? One thing tho -- the pH is reading way lower on the test strip then on the API test tube test so I'm questioning how accurate the strip is for nitrates also. How do we lower the nitrates? Thanks!
     
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    @LorraineT Most of us on GPF prefer to use the liquid "drop" tests [like API] as they tend to be more accurate than the strips. And it's important to watch the exp. date [I get a new kit every year].

    One thing to keep in mind about pH is that it's less important WHAT your pH reading is and more important that it stays consistent. IOW, don't worry about trying to keep your pH to a certain number. Also, if you're using the API kit, there is a "high range" bottle, and a "low range" bottle, so be sure you're using the same one each time.

    This is just speculation here, but if your pond is "cycling," it might be at the "nitrate" stage, which is normal. As with the high ammonia, water changes will eliminate the excess nitrates.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    To be honest, I think "just Google it" is really the worst advice the previous owners could give ya... at very least... they should have gave ya the internet address of a pond community they trusted or reference to a local koi club or local water garden club... oh well, that is neither here nor there now.


    Slime is a good thing! Now, I never heard of a black slime, but, generally, "slime" on rock is something ya gotta get use to since it helps to keep your pond water filtered.


    Could be a few things... One, the biology around the waterfall is growing and giving off oxygen (seen as bubble)... Two, might be a result of organic decomposition or a chemical residue from cleaning.

    Often times, after I clean my pond (don't use any chemicals) and fill with new water, then, for a week or so, there are bubbles and foam all over the place... This is due to various organic "stuff" was disturbed during the cleaning, and was not all remove... It eventually went away on its own for me...


    My guess is the business doing your pond cleaning has cleaned ponds for other customer's ponds...

    ...I would kindly call the pond business that cleaned your pond if they could give you a referral of some happy customers and see if you can visit with these customers to see how their pond experience is going... Ya might learn something from them as well...

    ...unless the pond business tried a new oxidizer to power wash your pond... I agree with the others that the cleaning likely was not what killed your fish...

    ...biggest stress factor I see is a very fast change in pond water chemistry... Your old pond water chemistry and temperature was likely quite different to your new pond water chemistry (after the huge water change and cleaning)... and this type of stress can kill fish...


    ...fish should always be slowly reintegrated back into a pond that has completely new or different water...

    ...the fish should never be just thrown back into the pond that has completely new or different water...

    ...one way to slowly reintegrate them is by, over a period of a week, have a pump slowly trickle new pond water on the tanks floor... that is the tank where you are holding the fish... allow the water to overflow out of the tank, dumping off to the side somewhere... and then reintroduce the fish back to your pond.


    Yep, that is likely what was going on... a very sudden change in water pH, along with entirely new water chemistry, can definitely kill fish...

    ...sounds like there was a miscommunication happening with the pond guys...

    Glad to hear the business owner is attempting to take care of ya..


    @LorraineT , yep, I think you learned a very important lesson there...

    Everyone has their own definition of what is "aesthetically pleasing" and, at first, most often does not align with Nature. It can be done, but takes more work to get that clean, "brand new car", look.

    The way Nature takes care of a pond is pretty as well...and easier to do... it is just a different kind of "pretty".

    ...much like what people say to me... I am just a different kind of "pretty". :p:D
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    @LorraineT , one enjoyment of mine is chasing my sister with string algae all over my arms and face, asking her to...." Just give me a hug!! Don't you love me!! "..

    ...it freaks her out... but that is because she just doesn't understand it... or... she didn't want her nice outfit adorned with algae. :devil:;):love:
     
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    @LorraineT How are things going? Haven't heard from you in a while.
     
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    Hi TurtleMommy! We are doing pretty good. FINALLY feel like we are getting this pond thing down and under control. The fish are doing really well - coming out more and more during the day and I hope, starting to recognize us, maybe. I have to post some pictures - just been busy. All of our new fish have survived the drama of us learning to balance the water so we have 2 orange butterflies, 2 white butterflies, a white & orange butterfly and regular orange guy but he's kind of odd looking with an almost butterfly tail but tiny little fins. Maybe I'm just comparing him to his beautiful brothers & sisters but he's just kind a weird. The pond water is looking nice a clear, everything balanced and I planted a new water lily that I am thrilled to say, is coming up already! Can't wait to see it get flowers. We just ordered a pond vacuum that we're hoping will help keep the water nice and clear. My husband is obsessed with this vacuum idea so I hope it does what he wants it to. Thanks for thinking about me and I'll get some pictures up soon.
     
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    @LorraineT Thanks for the update and happy to know that it's starting to fall in place! What vacuum are you getting? And, yes, please post some pics for us.
     
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    Sorry to be gone so long! The vacuum is Pondovacfour. My husband is very happy with his purchase. We purchased 3 new koi last week and they are beautiful! We got them from Kodoma Koi Farm in Davie,Fl. image.jpeg
     
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    which ones are new? love the white ones with orange line of scales on top looks artistic
     
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    @LorraineT Glad you got back with us! We so often lose folks after the initial round of problem-solving, and it's nice to know how things are working out!

    We are about to order the Pondovac 4 [Santa just hasn't gotten around to it yet, LOL!]. Good to know it gets a seal of approval from your hubby! Ask him if there is anything I need to know about using it.
     
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    The fish that we got from the (killer) pond company were 2 white and orange butterflies - mostly white with orange stripes down their backs, 2 orange butterflies, one orange with black scales on his back (not a butterfly), and my favorite, white with metallic orange top and white fins! We call him Sherbet because of the lovely colors. We have been feeding new food from the koi farm and his orange is becoming more gold/yellow and he's quite the looker. The three new ones we got are really exciting because we picked them out ourselves! We have a red & white Showa and his gray spots are starting to get darker. I understand they will turn black over time till he is black, red and white spotted. We also got a red, white and black Kujyaku who's black section makes him look like he's wearing a jacket - so we call him Tuxedo. And my favorite of the three , is a yellow and black Kinkikokuryu. He's the littlest guy right now but he looks so fierce with his metallic black scales and yellow face. We call him Dragon because of his beautiful armored coat. We are so lucky to have this great Koi farm close by. I think we've maxed out our pond at this point, with 9 fishes, but it great to have experts, not only here on this forum, but nearby to help out just in case.
     
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    Here is what I am reading... that your fish died the day after the pond was drained and cleaned. So to keep your new fish alive you have started down the trail of adding chemicals after chemicals. It sounds like the pond company is trying to cover their mistake buy selling you stuff that you don't need. The fish died for a reason just like Meyer said. They were poisoned. They were either poisoned with a washing solution or they were partially killed in what ever vat they put them in while thy were washing the pond. Fish just don't die overnight unless something is drastically wrong. Putting all the stuff in that you are now putting in is not doing them any good. In the future just let the fish be.
     
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    Have no idea what you are talking about at this point in time. We have learned how to care for our pond and have nine healthy beautiful fish and a gorgeous pond. I don't buy chemicals from any pond company EXCEPT while the crisis was occurring because we HAD to get the water under control. Which we did quite successfully and have the fabulous fish and pond to prove it. I have no idea what "stuff" you are currently referring to other then a pond vac and some new koi. And yes, there was something drastically wrong because the fish died. No brainer there. That's how I ended up here, getting great advice from several nice people who helped me with the issue. Yes, something killed the fish. No, there's no way to know what it was exactly. Have no idea what you could possibly think that I'm doing to my fish but you are a couple of dollars short and several days late.
     
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    Wow I was just replying to what I thought was a new thread (which appears to have updated yesterday) from someone that was asking for help. See your original post. Reading through the responses I came upon this one

    "Our pond company has been trying to figure out what happened and so far we have discovered that our water has no chlorine and they put chemicals in to neutralize the chlorine because they didn't test first!......This afternoon the bubbling problem seemed to get worse and now it looks like soap clinging to the plants and bubbling over the rocks in the waterfall! We have checked the Ph and it is high so with the advice of the pond guy we added baking soda and will check again shortly. The barley bale that I had in was removed during the cleaning so I just added a new one and that may be helping withe bubbles. We also purchased bacteria to add because the bacteria balls had been rinsed off but nothing new added.....
    I did not say that you killed the fish I said that the pond company did. Adding stuff to the pond will not get the pond under control. It will make the pond company richer and it could compound the problem. That is why I said to let it be. By cleaning it (which you thought you were doing right) they NOT you messed it up. By trying to cover themselves they told you to add stuff to make it better. You not knowing better added stuff. The fish are now healthy, so are you going to add stuff in the future? I'm guessing yes because it helped this time. Did it help? Well the fish are alive so it must have, right? It couldn't be because what ever killed the original fish is no longer a problem. All I was saying was not to do anything more( NOW or EVER) to the pond and it would be just fine. That was the advice I was giving. A pond is nothing more than a pretty ditch that holds water. Fish live in ditches without any help so they will live in your backyard pond with out any help INCLUDING FOOD. Sorry that I offended you so much.
     
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    Your response to my ORIGINAL post from July sounded quite accusing and I absolutely did not appreciate the tone at all. Didn't sound like advise - its sounds like a blasting for doing our very best to not end up with dead fish again. Obviously there are different ideas about what makes a pond nice and if I wanted what it sounds like you are implying - "a ditch filled with water" - then I wouldn't have wasted my time in making an effort to improve the pond so the fish - beautiful Koi fish - could have a nice environment to live in that we can also enjoy. And yes, IF the need should arise to add chemicals to FIX a problem so I can SAVE my fish then I absolutely will do what's necessary. My fish are 100% dependent on ME to survive in their environment and since we aren't talking gold fish here, then I will do whatever I can to keep them healthy and keep my pond in the manner that I find appealing to me. I trust the expertise of the Kodama family who have been breeding koi for over 40 years and are known all over the world for their quality koi for advise about feeding my fish as well. I happen to think their reputation and experience far out weighs any opinion you might share.
    Try changing your tone if don't want people to be offended at your manner.
     
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