Koi pond! Really confused.


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Uv is the devil to any liner even concrete. that is the number one reason to cover your liner. Even under water the uv though greatly reduced can still
 
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If I could talk my better half into giving up her Crepe Myrtles I would have a bog…… but I have 4000 gallon pond with a 6000 gallon pressurized filter, skimmer, and waterfall, all have bio media in each. My skimmer and bottom drain are tied together feeding the suction side of my pump which sends the water thru my pressure filter back to the waterfall. As you can see I also have a overload of plants in the pond itself, so I have no problem with 8 large koi and a 10” goldfish. Someday I am going to wear her down and put a 40 ft long bog down the side of my pool……. LoL
 

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If I could talk my better half into giving up her Crepe Myrtles I would have a bog…… but I have 4000 gallon pond with a 6000 gallon pressurized filter, skimmer, and waterfall, all have bio media in each. My skimmer and bottom drain are tied together feeding the suction side of my pump which sends the water thru my pressure filter back to the waterfall. As you can see I also have a overload of plants in the pond itself, so I have no problem with 8 large koi and a 10” goldfish. Someday I am going to wear her down and put a 40 ft long bog down the side of my pool……. LoL
The swimming pool becomes the bog, keep the Myrtles (and the better half) and swim in the pond. What could be simpler?
 
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The swimming pool becomes the bog, keep the Myrtles (and the better half) and swim in the pond. What could be simpler?
Believe me I would get rid of the pool in a heartbeat……. But the Grandkid’s would not be very happy with me…. LoL
 
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When they can chase frogs and turtles and the occasional garder snakes they forget all about the pool . I had a swimming pool and a natural pond behind my house growing up I was by FAR at the pond over the pool
 
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So bad news, the guy in charge of excavating did not listen or did not understand to what I wanted. Instead of creating a shelve at 12" bellow top, he just dug the whole thing, so the pond is now a giant whole. Now what?
 
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So bad news, the guy in charge of excavating did not listen or did not understand to what I wanted. Instead of creating a shelve at 12" bellow top, he just dug the whole thing, so the pond is now a giant whole. Now what?

Ask him to fill it in and try again? How deep is the hole?
 
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What If I dont do a shelve? Will this be a bad thing for the actual pond? like structure wise ect..? or is it really just for flower pots ?
 
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I assume your liner isn't big enough for him to just dig the shelves, which would basically enlarge your pond slightly. Or maybe you just don't have the room in your yard.
You won't need much extra, only the width of the shelf. You can have him just do one side or just one or both ends.

Bottom line, shelves are not required. As you said, they are for sitting your plants on.

There are other ways of growing plants.
There are floating planters.
You can grow plants like Creeping Jenny or Parrot's Feather in the ground and can have them spill over into the water.

There are many floating plants too, they just float around.
 
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I don't have a bog and only have two stock tank filters and my pond is clear and in full sun most of the day . only thing i use is lava rock and reusable furnace filters and koi clay and yes lots and lots of areartion . no plants in the pond but a couple in the filters and the waterfall pond
 

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Might be good news that you have heavy clay soil. 5’ wall might hold up over time. I’d never get away with that with my sandy loam, even filled with water.

Don’t think it’s critical that the walls are smooth as long as they’re free from sharp objects like stones and roots. What’s your liner material?
 
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Might be good news that you have heavy clay soil. 5’ wall might hold up over time. I’d never get away with that with my sandy loam, even filled with water.

Don’t think it’s critical that the walls are smooth as long as they’re free from sharp objects like stones and roots. What’s your liner material?

thats good at least, I am putting underlayment , I forgot how strong but it was the steongets the hardware store had , it is construction grade and was not cheap ( also garantie for life "wtv that means")

and epdm 45 mil
 
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thats good at least, I am putting underlayment , I forgot how strong but it was the steongets the hardware store had , it is construction grade and was not cheap ( also garantie for life "wtv that means")

and epdm 45 mil
Is your EPDM larger than the hole enough that you can use a shovel to dig some shelves? It looks as if the ends on the short sides have a start for some shelves. You're doing fine on this!
 
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Is your EPDM larger than the hole enough that you can use a shovel to dig some shelves? It looks as if the ends on the short sides have a start for some shelves. You're doing fine on this!

I sure do hope so , my liner is 25 feet by 30 feet. So you mean by enlarging the actual pond? I was sorta trying to avoid doing so.

I think Ive decided not to do shelves since the wife does not want the pond any larger then what it already is (she was kind of shocked) Oh well...
 
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I sure do hope so , my liner is 25 feet by 30 feet. So you mean by enlarging the actual pond? I was sorta trying to avoid doing so.

I think Ive decided not to do shelves since the wife does not want the pond any larger then what it already is (she was kind of shocked) Oh well...
OK, then not BIG bigger. It looks as if you could dig a shelf on the far end or far sides, where the "dig line" is, or the place that makes it not a round hole. Or, fill some of the hole a few feet up, packing it with some mighty whacks of the shovel (ugh, and not the easiest to actually accomplish).
It will come together just fine.
 

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