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Tried to sketch up an idea I have for the pond I am planning on building in the spring (see pic). Originally, and still may be the case, the pond was just going to be to the left of the house (facing from the road). Since we are planning on redoing our landscaping in the front anyway, I had the idea of putting the bog (to the right) with a stream running into the pond. I added where the main waterline comes into my house and where the septic and leach field are. I dont want the pond to be to close or sitting over the top of either. Worse case, if they ever needed maintenance I could just re-do a part of the stream or bog without having to disturb the pond.

There is some slope but not a lot. I plan to build up the bog side and at least level it out. I dont want to build it up to the point it completely covers the foundation. Does it look like there will be enough slope to create a stream? Is there a minimum slope I will need for this to work? Normally, I would have gotten outside with string and a level but stuck in the house due to a snow storm.

I do think having a bog in that location would be really cool and a great way to showcase the plants.

Happy to hear any other thoughts around this design.
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Tried to sketch up an idea I have for the pond I am planning on building in the spring (see pic). Originally, and still may be the case, the pond was just going to be to the left of the house (facing from the road). Since we are planning on redoing our landscaping in the front anyway, I had the idea of putting the bog (to the right) with a stream running into the pond. I added where the main waterline comes into my house and where the septic and leach field are. I dont want the pond to be to close or sitting over the top of either. Worse case, if they ever needed maintenance I could just re-do a part of the stream or bog without having to disturb the pond.

There is some slope but not a lot. I plan to build up the bog side and at least level it out. I dont want to build it up to the point it completely covers the foundation. Does it look like there will be enough slope to create a stream? Is there a minimum slope I will need for this to work? Normally, I would have gotten outside with string and a level but stuck in the house due to a snow storm.

I do think having a bog in that location would be really cool and a great way to showcase the plants.

Happy to hear any other thoughts around this design.
looks fine to me; the only concern might be you're putting the bog over any septic drain pipes? Up near the house? Maybe the pic isn't showing what I'm seeing...

As long as you have some pitch/slope, you'll be fine. Water runs down your gutter system and that pitch is only 1/4" in 12". Some issue might be the depth of your stream to get the 'look' you want re flow etc. Some tweaking will probably happen but it usually does.

Gonna dig this mano a mano with a hand shovel or spring for the heavy machinery???

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Theres more then enough to have a stream flowing toward the pond and when you build your bog you can even elevate the high point a bit as well. the trick will be to not have the bog look like a volcano or out of place if it is built up but some properly sized boulders can easily make this work, The other idea is to have a water fall from the bog to the stream but at a couple 4 or 5 feet away make it so the stream is dammed up a bit. so you can make another drop. There are multiple videos out the on stream building. and how to make them look natural. the first rule to me is not to have it all the same width depth or rocks to small along the edges and those rocks should never all be length wise end to end .

heres on video with a well done stream though much higher then your you can see what i mean by damming the stream 3rd video https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/some-very-impressive-pond-builds.26353/page-2
 
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looks fine to me; the only concern might be you're putting the bog over any septic drain pipes? Up near the house? Maybe the pic isn't showing what I'm seeing...

As long as you have some pitch/slope, you'll be fine. Water runs down your gutter system and that pitch is only 1/4" in 12". Some issue might be the depth of your stream to get the 'look' you want re flow etc. Some tweaking will probably happen but it usually does.

Gonna dig this mano a mano with a hand shovel or spring for the heavy machinery???

'let's Ride!'
The bog will be in front of the house but at least a few feet away. It will be over the pipe that goes out to the septic further into the yard. Its below the frost line and the bog will be the shallow style at aroud 12" so shouldnt be an issue.

Havent decided. The bog and stream shouldnt be bad by hand. The pond will be about 15x15, so more of an undertaking. Brother in law lives a few hours away, he has an excavator and would probably make the trip if I asked. Without knowing how the digging will be I am not sure. I did have some work done on the other side where my septic distribution box is and it was all sand.
 

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Theres more then enough to have a stream flowing toward the pond and when you build your bog you can even elevate the high point a bit as well. the trick will be to not have the bog look like a volcano or out of place if it is built up but some properly sized boulders can easily make this work, The other idea is to have a water fall from the bog to the stream but at a couple 4 or 5 feet away make it so the stream is dammed up a bit. so you can make another drop. There are multiple videos out the on stream building. and how to make them look natural. the first rule to me is not to have it all the same width depth or rocks to small along the edges and those rocks should never all be length wise end to end .

heres on video with a well done stream though much higher then your you can see what i mean by damming the stream 3rd video https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/some-very-impressive-pond-builds.26353/page-2
Right and especially where this is located I want/need it to look as natural as possible. I do want at least a few drops.

I cant build it up much higher without going above the foundation which I def dont want to do. I will need to create a level area, as the yard starts sloping back down the other way.

Thanks for the link, I have been living on youtube lately watching videos and will have to check some of these out as well. I did watch the Aquascape one around calculating rock! Found I needed quite a bit more than i thought!

My main focus lately has been sourcing the rock. Mainly, the larger pieces around 24" that I can still hopefully roll but not need heavy equipment. Found someone that can deliver around 8 ton and quoted me 350-450 for the load delivered. Seems ok but I am going to stop into some quarries, once this latest round of snow melts.
 
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The bog will be in front of the house but at least a few feet away. It will be over the pipe that goes out to the septic further into the yard. Its below the frost line and the bog will be the shallow style at aroud 12" so shouldnt be an issue.

Havent decided. The bog and stream shouldnt be bad by hand. The pond will be about 15x15, so more of an undertaking. Brother in law lives a few hours away, he has an excavator and would probably make the trip if I asked. Without knowing how the digging will be I am not sure. I did have some work done on the other side where my septic distribution box is and it was all sand.
definitely, bribe your brother in law; you'll thank us later! BUT! Just so you can brag, have someone take pictures of you, shovel in hand at various depths (with the excavator NOT in the pic!!!), hey? We won't tell anyone...
 
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You will enjoy having your water feature right outside your windows!
 
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i wouldn't go to crazy out from because as soon as its built and you reallize how much you love it youll want one in the back
 

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i wouldn't go to crazy out from because as soon as its built and you reallize how much you love it youll want one in the back
Hey gbbudd, that’s partially why we are putting it in the front, we have an IG pool right off the back, with 3 sides sloping toward the rest of our backyard. We never use the section of yard behind the pool and were thinking if we put it back there we wouldn’t really see it or go down to it as much. The front yard is huge and currently lacking some curb appeal. It would be nice to have it really close and right off my home office. I have read through most of your build and love how yours is right off your patio! We would probably do the same if it wasn’t for this d$&n swimming pool in the back…haha.
 
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UNDERSTOOD. for the front i would try to make it more irregularly shaped then just a round pond make it more like a s Long and narrow.maybe with a sitting area. you'll need it . When i built the original pond the fish swam around a bit but not like they do now with the addition between the two areas they have about 50 feet to swim from one end to the other and they do swim much differently. As you have seen i do like the bigger more crazy set up.
 
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Hey gbbudd, that’s partially why we are putting it in the front, we have an IG pool right off the back, with 3 sides sloping toward the rest of our backyard. We never use the section of yard behind the pool and were thinking if we put it back there we wouldn’t really see it or go down to it as much. The front yard is huge and currently lacking some curb appeal. It would be nice to have it really close and right off my home office. I have read through most of your build and love how yours is right off your patio! We would probably do the same if it wasn’t for this d$&n swimming pool in the back…haha.
my money has you taking your office PONDSIDE! C'mon; any takers???? :cool: :D :D
 
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I love a front yard pond, but you do want to make sure you pond includes a place to sit and enjoy it from the outside as well. Bigger porch? Small patio? Even just a small fieldstone or cement pad where you can put a pretty bench would ensure that you have a place to sit and relax.

I'd consider a stacked slate sphere or urn or even a bowl as the "headwater" for your stream. I think they make beautiful front yard water features. Plus it gives you height and something that people could see from the street and wonder about what else is going on up there! A bit more formal, but still brings the water... which is what we're all here for!

Check out this pond build from Atlantis - they use a sphere to start the waterfall:

 

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first is dig safe and second is what does your county require for safety and laws . I see waterlines and septic but not electric . Our laws and I live in the country have changed and do not allow ponds to be placed in front part of house and say you need safety features , but mine is grandfathered in since the law was just introduced this year . Can't understand that stupid law when most of the county is bigger lots . most lots are from 3 acres to 100 or more acres . I guess it is mostly because of new developments near town or what they call city zones . We have lots of farm ponds on lots here also
 

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first is dig safe and second is what does your county require for safety and laws . I see waterlines and septic but not electric . Our laws and I live in the country have changed and do not allow ponds to be placed in front part of house and say you need safety features , but mine is grandfathered in since the law was just introduced this year . Can't understand that stupid law when most of the county is bigger lots . most lots are from 3 acres to 100 or more acres . I guess it is mostly because of new developments near town or what they call city zones . We have lots of farm ponds on lots here also
I believe electric comes in along the side yard (not pictured). I am planning on calling before digging.

I live in a more rural town similar to where it sounds you live. I have called the town twice now and they havent returned my call. According to the person I talked to one of the building inspectors would be getting back to me...that was weeks ago. I have read through the code and the only bodies of water that appear to be regulated are Swimming Pools and as long as the intent of the pond is not for swimming there's no permit or fence required.

I many follow up my call with an email so I its documented i tried to contact them and they never responded.
 
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I many follow up my call with an email so I its documented i tried to contact them and they never responded.

call me skeptic, but I doubt this 'evidence' is going to work in your favor should there actually BE some sort of law paramters in place already. Not that I don't applaud the idea, but governments aren't known for charity, even if you do make all the effort to try. Like when a bank transfers money into your account that you didn't put there; in the long run, they're gonna ask for it back and you don't have much to say about it, esp if you've gone and spent it, hey?
 
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first is dig safe and second is what does your county require for safety and laws . I see waterlines and septic but not electric . Our laws and I live in the country have changed and do not allow ponds to be placed in front part of house and say you need safety features , but mine is grandfathered in since the law was just introduced this year . Can't understand that stupid law when most of the county is bigger lots . most lots are from 3 acres to 100 or more acres . I guess it is mostly because of new developments near town or what they call city zones . We have lots of farm ponds on lots here also
I believe if the pond is less the 18 inches most towns will not require SECURITY measures/a fence or as i call it selective breeding measures
 

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call me skeptic, but I doubt this 'evidence' is going to work in your favor should there actually BE some sort of law paramters in place already. Not that I don't applaud the idea, but governments aren't known for charity, even if you do make all the effort to try. Like when a bank transfers money into your account that you didn't put there; in the long run, they're gonna ask for it back and you don't have much to say about it, esp if you've gone and spent it, hey?
Yeah, probably works better in the business world than gov't for sure! I have read through the town's zoning rules and the only thing pertaining to any body of water is swimming pools. Here is the definition:

SWIMMING POOL A receptacle for water, having a depth at any point greater than two feet and holding more than 100 gallons of water, designed to be used for swimming and constructed, installed and maintained above or below the ground. A swimming pool is a structure for the purposes of this chapter.

So, based on this and the phrase "used for swimming" I have tentatively decided to move forward with my plan to build in the front. If I can't get them to return my cal,l I may just need to show up at their office. Honestly, I could probably get away with it and no one would every say anything, but should probably push harder to make sure its allowed.
 
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Yeah, probably works better in the business world than gov't for sure! I have read through the town's zoning rules and the only thing pertaining to any body of water is swimming pools. Here is the definition:

SWIMMING POOL A receptacle for water, having a depth at any point greater than two feet and holding more than 100 gallons of water, designed to be used for swimming and constructed, installed and maintained above or below the ground. A swimming pool is a structure for the purposes of this chapter.

So, based on this and the phrase "used for swimming" I have tentatively decided to move forward with my plan to build in the front. If I can't get them to return my cal,l I may just need to show up at their office. Honestly, I could probably get away with it and no one would every say anything, but should probably push harder to make sure its allowed.
I think based on your other posts saying your neighbors have front side ponds, you're okay. Were it me (and I didn't even call MY township offices before starting) I'd not worry, not show up at their offices, and not push it. If they fine/make you take it down, you can point to the other ponds and ask if they do too. That said, IF there's any sort of accident, I can't say you won't be legally liable in some way, ya know? And I'm not wishing anyting on you nor trying to discourage--the opposite, actually. It would probably be neighbors that might try and get the city to stop you so if they're in on their own bit of 'illegal', I think you're safe.

The ONLY issue I could see is if they have some sort of 'water = so deep and has to be fenced' type deal (as it was in MY city). Like a pool. Got any lawyer friends out there to run the idea past? Just for peace of mind?

Again, NOT discouraging, just helping to dot i's and cross t's.
 
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I would just make sure i had the pond well illuminated so if the mail man is is a hurry they don't take the shortest route and step in the pond. Frig the bureaucrats.You have record of trying to call and asking here
 

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