Pond is respectable now for the waterfall

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Well, not exactly true...

We have managed to complete a waterfall but don’t particularly like it.
Everything is going slowly because of a) so many other things to do and B) the temperatures here at present preclude doing anything outside, unless in the shade, for more than an hour or so a day.

We have a large urn on its side that is fed through the base from the pond. It is about 1.4 m away and 40 cm above the level of the water in the pond, sitting on an already constructed rock garden that goes to pond side. Being cheap, we made use of some old curved roof tiles that we had laying around for the waterfall itself, with one sloping down onto the next. The idea seemed fine but we quickly realised that we had a backwash problem moving from tile to tile so we had to line the tiles in order to prevent that. The liner didn’t look great so we then used gravel and (very) small rocks to try and improve the appearance. Then we found that we had to reduce the water pressure in order to prevent it going over the side of the tiles which meant, in the end, we had just a trickle instead of Niagara falls. To top it off, it looks more like a funicular railway.

Ingenuity often works but perhaps we should spend more time reading about others’ experiences.

Now we think… why not construct it in basically the same way as the pool and use a piece of liner as the base in a roughly rectangular cross section with loose stone holding down the sides. We are lucky enough to live near an unofficial stone quarry and have a source of flat stones that we could use on top of the liner as the “river” bed. Experience tells me that the water will run anywhere rather than the surface of the stone and then we had the great idea of using construction foam in conjunction with the rocks to form the bed.

Then we read the forum and find that there is actually something (“Great Stuff”) commercially available. Here in Bulgaria (it seems like) houses are constructed using foam (well, with other materials as well) and it is freely available and cheap. However, it is extremely unlikely that we would ever find such a specialised product as black waterfall foam. In fact, we think our colour (brown) would be better in conjunction with the stone.

So, is the construction foam the same, just a different colour (and, trying not to be cynical, a lot cheaper)?

Next thing is….. Foam is designed to fill voids. How do you prevent it trying to take over the world or do you just use small doses and hope?

Can we throw some gravel on top to integrate with the foam and fill up the spaces between the surface of the rocks and the edge liner?

Lastly, we would have the last stone overhanging the pond and the liner base could stretch as far as possible but what about the liner sides. How do you stop the water coming off the sides of the last stone? Oh, and how do you ensure a sheet rather than a narrow fall?

Should we give up on the ingenuity and read a comprehensive article about it somewhere?
 

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laughing.............you are doing great.

The construction foam is the same stuff, it will color with age. I used some of the stuff that was yellow as it dried, now it blends right in with the rocks in the waterfall.

You can throw pebbles into the foam as it dries. It is not a water proof barrier, it directs the flow. It will weep some water.

Add a little at a time push the tube way to the back squirt some in, if you need more, after xx time, squirt some more in. If it goes crazy and takes over the world, just pick it off once it is dry, I didn't cut mine tearing it made it look more natural.

the last stone ...........to keep the water going over the end not the sides, I picked a stone that had some extra layers on both sides of it. Then I added some more flat stones along the side using roofing sealant (that black stuff) under the flat stones so water would not run over the sides. I just kept adding a flat stone here and there until the water went the way I wanted it to.

To get a sheet of water, I made sure I used a level, made the rock as level as possible side to side (it was very flat and smooth except on the two sides) then also made sure the rock tipped down, so the edge the water flowed over was lower than the upper edge. That way the water flowed as a sheet

This is when it was still being worked on, the rock is around 2 feet wide. You can see on either edge there is a raised portion of rock the flat rocks were being moved around until I was happy with the flow, then sealed to keep the water going straight over the edge.

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These two show the water running, still was working on it when these were taken

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Thanks addy1 for an excellent synopsis, covering all the bases. It looks great too. I don’t think ours is going to be quite that exciting as it will be more like 18 cm wide, as opposed to 60 cm.

The roofing sealant might be a problem (Bulgaria is a bit of a backwater) so I might try a grinder on the main stone and the side pieces to smooth them off as much as possible then stick them with crazy glue and run a bead of brown silicon along the inside edge.

Another thing that we hadn’t given much thought to was the necessary height of the liner edges above the stone bed once it is added. We are using an offcut from the pond installation and it is a bit tight. However, based on formulae I have seen, we are probably not likely to have much more than 5mm depth of water anyway. Just hope that looks ok going over the edge.
 

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If you can find a diamond wheel for your grinder, they do a great job of shaping stone! I'm talking about the hand-held grinders, not the bench-mounted type, of course. John
 
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Gluepack:
I used the Great Stuff for my waterfall recently, it worked really well. One note of CAUTION! Wear gloves!! I didn't and it took about 5 weeks to get it all off my hands! First I got a little on my fingers, then a little more and before I knew it, both hands were covered. Then thinking I could just rub them in the dirt and it would all come off..........well my hands were like they were encased in cement. Not fun and Not funny...
 

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Sounds pretty funny to me Baeya but then it wasn't me w/ all that gunk on my hands. You should have taken a picture.............or well uh, had someone else do it anyways, lol!
 

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Sounds pretty funny to me Baeya but then it wasn't me w/ all that gunk on my hands. You should have taken a picture.............or well uh, had someone else do it anyways, lol!

She couldn't take a picture because she couldn't move her hands to press the button. :razz:
 

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use nail polish remover or goo gone,goo gone is made from citrus .I got some on my hands several times when working on the other house comes right off .
 

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that and mineral sprints takes it off.
Thanks addy1 for an excellent synopsis, covering all the bases. It looks great too. I don’t think ours is going to be quite that exciting as it will be more like 18 cm wide, as opposed to 60 cm.

The roofing sealant might be a problem (Bulgaria is a bit of a backwater) so I might try a grinder on the main stone and the side pieces to smooth them off as much as possible then stick them with crazy glue and run a bead of brown silicon along the inside edge.

Another thing that we hadn’t given much thought to was the necessary height of the liner edges above the stone bed once it is added. We are using an offcut from the pond installation and it is a bit tight. However, based on formulae I have seen, we are probably not likely to have much more than 5mm depth of water anyway. Just hope that looks ok going over the edge.

You could use some of the expanding foam, just a tiny squirt under the rock, stick the rock down with some weight on it to keep it from being moved by the expanding foam, instead of crazy glue, it does stick well, or see if you can find some construction polyurethane (glue /adhesive) in a tube.

If you want more flow, you can always add some rocks to make it narrower as you play with the flow. In some places my liner is only a inch above the water flow (in the stream) I just watch for any blockage happening, but most of those places are on pretty good drops, so the water does not back up.
 
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I think nail polish remover might have worked if I didn't rub my hands in the dirt.... I did try it...​
The stuff was like cement on my hands, completely covered! When I tried to pick it off, it only came off in tiny little pieces at a time. It took me two days to pick most of it off and even after several weeks, the last of it has finally came off my fingernails.​
 

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gave you something to keep you busy .I can just see it now .Thank god you don't have chickens around feather hands LOL
 
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LOL!! No chickens here!! Two cats, one dog, nine Koi and a red slidder turtle that we set free in our pond. He is so so happy there! Oh, and lots of baby Koi that I'm trying to grow big in an aquarium in the house...keeping my fingers crossed!
 

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gosh well good you didn't try to pet them then .Pretty hard to explain that one .
 
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Well, I used the foam today. The can came with Bulgarian, Italian, Slovakian and Polish instructions printed on it. No problem, I’ve used it before.

I didn’t bother with gloves because a) I didn’t have any intention of touching it and b ) I was too lazy to look for some. However, then the dog came by to investigate and in shooing it away the can dripped several blobs, I had nothing else to use so moved it with my hand. I finished the job, tried to wipe it off my hands and ended up having to use nail polish remover to clean up, lol.

While walking around the garden I found the can cap that I had left laying around. Pulled out a small plastic bag from inside thinking “I bet this is instructions in English”, opened it up and there was a free pair of one use plastic gloves :)
 

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