2" Flexible PVC, underlayment, liner questions


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Just keep in mind termites can't lift very large boulders 4 men boulders would be my guess. But agreed you can get far more creative with equipment.
I did haul one big boulder out of there with the Terramite. I don't think I could have done it by hand.
It was a cute machine. Basically a small backhoe with a big lawn mower engine.
It also had the flat blade at the other end.
 
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I made lots of "flex PVC, huh?" jokes as we were struggling with that stuff. It definitely belies it's name. I think they should call it "MORE flex but not REALLY FLEXIBLE PVC". Maybe not as catchy? haha! We just worked it into the trench and didn't try for any tight corners . Plus it was 456 degrees the week we laid our plumbing, so that helped. haha!

I would recommend that you don't just dump the folded liner into the hole. You want to unfold it completely and then refold it in a way that makes sense. We folded ours complexly in half, then in half again, then from the other direction folded it in quarters. Now you want to start it in the middle of the pond and unfold it methodically - so much easier. We were lucky that we had a lot of guys hanging around that day doing other landscape work. They were fascinated by our oddball project and were happy to grab a corner. A lot depends too on how much space you have around the pond. If I had enough, I would unfold it completely and have people on all sides and just drag it across the hole and lower it in. You might have to make some adjustments once it's in, but you'd generally be in the correct spot. I would also be way smarter than we were and not buy three times as much liner as you actually need. haha!

You asked about water - there are companies that will deliver water in a truck. People do it for their pools all the time. Otherwise do what my neighbor did - wait until you think your neighbor is gone, and then hook YOUR hose up to HIS house! Have a good explanation ready though, for when he catches you!
 

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You asked about water - there are companies that will deliver water in a truck. People do it for their pools all the time. Otherwise do what my neighbor did - wait until you think your neighbor is gone, and then hook YOUR hose up to HIS house! Have a good explanation ready though, for when he catches you!

okay, NOW we know who the resident trouble-maker is on GPF!!!! Sheesh!;)
 
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As a fellow well user, and with a similar sized pond going in, I plan to do a bit at a time fill. I’ve dug my pond with steps, and I’ll be using aluminum tent stakes to be sure the under liner stays in place. Once the weather decides to cooperate, I’ll be putting my liner in, turning the hose on, and walking away for a few hours. Turn it off, come back after the sun thaws out the icy water to a non frigid temp, and get in. Smooth and fold as needed, then add more water. Rinse and repeat until it’s filled and folded well. Then I get to try and figure out how to hide my edges, as we have no rock out here to work with.
 

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As a fellow well user, and with a similar sized pond going in, I plan to do a bit at a time fill. I’ve dug my pond with steps, and I’ll be using aluminum tent stakes to be sure the under liner stays in place. Once the weather decides to cooperate, I’ll be putting my liner in, turning the hose on, and walking away for a few hours. Turn it off, come back after the sun thaws out the icy water to a non frigid temp, and get in. Smooth and fold as needed, then add more water. Rinse and repeat until it’s filled and folded well. Then I get to try and figure out how to hide my edges, as we have no rock out here to work with.
@JamieB ; I'd not be using anything with a point under my liner; the ground moves and it just might end up pushing one of those spikes the wrong way. Let the weight of the water filling keep everything in place. I've also heard of taping the underlayment, but never 'nail-like' mechanisms.

re your edges; you can do the same 'half-shelf' trick most use for a rock border, but use even sod or some clump of planting in the same way. Use something that can grow with it's feet always wet, like forgetmenots, which can be attached to something like cork or even old fallen logs/branches. Over time, it will naturalize.

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@JamieB ; I'd not be using anything with a point under my liner; the ground moves and it just might end up pushing one of those spikes the wrong way. Let the weight of the water filling keep everything in place. I've also heard of taping the underlayment, but never 'nail-like' mechanisms.

re your edges; you can do the same 'half-shelf' trick most use for a rock border, but use even sod or some clump of planting in the same way. Use something that can grow with it's feet always wet, like forgetmenots, which can be attached to something like cork or even old fallen logs/branches. Over time, it will naturalize.

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I assumed those spikes mentioned are just temporary, but good point! Ha!

Great idea about the shelves, using plants instead of rocks.
Without rocks, I couldn't come up with anything.
 
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I've also heard of taping the underlayment, but never 'nail-like' mechanisms.
Mother nature within frost areas in my area down over 3 feet in the worst case scenario can move a rock boulder item underground up to a foot a year. And spikinging unless it's stainless in time they can rot out leaving God knows what pointing at your liner.

I used Gorilla duck tape it worked well on the non woven I'm sure it will work even better on woven fabric. Over size tge fabric and simply place boulders along the edge of the fabric. And don't be stingy don't try to just overlap a couple inches over lap like a foot so if you do blow out the tape you should still be in good shape. This is your insurance policy don't pinch pennies at this point in the build your foundation is always THE MOST CRITICAL in any build.
 
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I was actually going with the J shaped aluminum kind, where there’s only a bend pointed twords the pond, the “spike” and the other potentially pokey bit going into the ground.
 

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I was actually going with the J shaped aluminum kind, where there’s only a bend pointed twords the pond, the “spike” and the other potentially pokey bit going into the ground.
doesn't matter; it's still got a pointy end that could come back to haunt you later down the road. Use the tape, instead.
 
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I was actually going with the J shaped aluminum kind, where there’s only a bend pointed twords the pond, the “spike” and the other potentially pokey bit going into the ground.
to risky in my book
 
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Well I installed the 30'x30' liner myself. phew... Here's how:
It was delivered on a skid and put in my garage by UPS (didn't even pay for the $75 lift gate). I dragged the skid with my ATV over to the top of a small hill near my driveway. I then backed my truck up, and was able to roll the liner into the bed of my truck. I then backed my truck up the the raised berm around my pond and simply unrolled it down into my pond. It worked out pretty nice but getting the wrinkles and folds out is almost impossible due to the irregular shape of my pond. I do plan on rocking it to hide some of the large folds and wrinkles. Now I just need to find like 6 tons of rocks...
 
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I have extra 3 ton get them outta here before I build again
 
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I started out by using 4 inch garden staples to keep the underlayment down but removed them before laying the liner down.

I filled the pond up with water to get wrinkles out and double check water levels. Everything looked good. Right now my pond is drained with a bunch of iron residue on the liner from my well water. Now, I load the pond with rocks and slowly start filling again. Will get pictures once it's complete.
 
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I have a 6000 gallon pond, which I filled with the hose. Water came from a 50 gallon spring box. Run it at a dribble, it will fill in a day or two, and not run the well dry.
 
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box made of cement blocks set into the hill side, to collect the water from the spring. Mine holds about 50 gallons then overflows back to the creek. I have a sump pump in it with a 180' head, and switching to turn it on, and off, as the box fills, and empties. That way I don't have to worry about running it dry. It pumps water into a 1500 gallon underground cistern. With a shallow well pump to supply water to the house.
 

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