every time you feed stand near the pond...hunger will out do their fear... as allowed move closer to the edge with feedings. they will associate you with food. patience is the key.!! in a short time you'll be standing at ponds edge and they will come awaiting a meal.when this is accomplished feed them on your knees, then put your hand in the water and slowly release food into the water.(keeping your hand still) when they feed near your hand, the next step is out of your hand!! you'll be suprised at how fast this will take place.