How to close my pond

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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    Have you used a spud bar or knife @MitchM?
     
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    No, a "spud bar" or knife could very well damage the liner and my ice gets 2 feet thick here.
    Using a spud bar or knife would be an exercise in futility.
    I prefer to work with mother nature, not against.
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    OK ok now your on a whole new thing here about liner for some reason.

    maybe if you have a spasmatic arm while your holding a knife, your break liner, usually ponds aren't 3" below the surface. As for the spudbar, use your muscles to hold it steady...
    My car can break the liner.

    Using a spud bar or knife would be an exercise in futility. How would a 16lb steel bar not work?
     
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    #1 Have you ever tried to break through 2 feet of ice?
    #2 Even if I was able to open some water manually, it would freeze over again in 30 seconds. That would get real tiresome real quick with my 6 month ice cover.;)
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    Im going to need some evidence here of this. Seems you have defaced from logic.

    Maybe if you don't like effort.
     
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    Hmmm, well ok, it's not really winter here yet, although some low lying areas around here are dipping below 40f lately.
    An example of how cold it gets here is, take an example of a 1500w trough heater, as you previously said are cheap and work well. 1500w is a lot of power, yes? I tried a 1500w heater my first year with a pond and while the heater was on full power, an ice dome still formed over the entire opening in the ice. That renders an opening in the ice totally useless, right? Stick around through this winter and we can certainly perform some experiments to demonstrate the power of cold temperatures.
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    lol who said that? https://www.grainger.com/product/TEMPCO-Precision-Tank-Heater-2VYH4
    here is a floating one https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=d86b6237-3ee4-422b-9887-09cb17af82a8
    Stick to what you know, I love this saying, @Lisak1 thanks!


    So you learned your to lazy to lift a spud bar and you stopped whining about that and a knife, so you moved onto a heater? what is this highschool to you? grow up. Your argument is rediculas if you cannot back it up. im still waiting to see where water freezes in 30 seconds in your area. You say countless unknowledgeable things and except them to be close to facts, Back them up or don't say it at all.
     
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    Hmm. Not what I was really hoping to read on this post. But you all make a valid point to those who actually contributed.

    I cannot recall if the pond fully froze last year. But if it does then yeah the fish will freeze too. I remember I didn't take all of them out last year because I couldn't find every single one and they were fine the next spring. Does that mean my pond doesn't actually fully freeze?

    Rebuilding the pond is possible. Going to be a lot of work. It was just a hole with a wood frame and a pond tarp installed.

    I've attached photos of my pond.
     

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    Are you having a bad day or something?

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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    Stop lighting random fires. :l
     
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    There are a lot of "old wives tales" and misconceptions about winter pond keeping and I'm happy to explore them all.
    Maybe we can have a separate thread at a later date to go over some of the points you brought up.
     
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    @DutchMuch thank you for actually contributing to these questions of mine.

    Running a deicer can I get away with no pump running?

    My tubing will freeze simply because it runs out of pond and then in the rock as seen in my photos.

    Edit, I'm more confused than ever. I can't tel legitimate advise for illegitimate advice from inexperienced people.
     
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    I think a cover over your pond would enable you to over winter your fish, however I do think that is is overstocked. Overstocking will present you with water quality issues that will negatively affect your fishes health.
     
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    Yes I am over stocked. I've been trying to give some away. Simply put a fish laid eggs and I have so many shubunkins.
     
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    In my experience a de-icer will keep a small hole open except in the most frigid temperatures. The first year, when we did shut down our pond, we used a de-icer with an airstone under it, on the shelf about 12" down. That worked better than our other "solution" which was to place a pump about 18" under the surface with the outlet pointed to the surface. The ice simply domed over the top of the agitated water. And it bugged me all winter because it seemed so... un-calm, if that makes sense!

    And yes - if your plumbing is exposed you do run the risk of it freezing. Although one line of reasoning may say running water won't freeze, I would be scared to test that theory!
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    Water movement isn't the important factor here, and during winter doesn't really "need" to be happening.
    Answer: Yes.
    Before winter hits, make sure to lower your stock, or else you will have water quality problems during winter, which is something you really do not want to encounter.
     
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    Really? Come to Chicago. And they go the other way, too. The saying goes "if you don't like our weather, wait a minute. It will change."
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    Ive been there, my grandma lives in Chicago and my aunt in NY.
    Im used to being in several states in a year.
     
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    The best thing you can do for your pond is become an expert in water quality.
    There are many sources out there to learn that from.
    Once you can master water quality issues, your fish will be fine.
    Don't rely on letting other people tell you what to do. Forums such as this one can give you suggestions, but you should be able to verify those suggestions from other sources.
     
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