new pond digger from central calif

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    CountryEscape

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    Well, while you are having them fix the problem, make sure they don't cut the liner at ALL!!! That way, you can fold it under, maybe make the bog bigger yourself later! :) Good luck, sounds like you have a well thought out plan. I'm cheering you on from way over in Illinois. :banana: :beerchug: :claphands: :fingersx: :highfive:
     
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    Well, pond guy came out and looked at it. I didn't send him the "official" letter, rather I sent him a smaller version of it in an email. To make a bit a story brief, he said he couldn't take responsibility for it. He went on to say if it had been his guys out there and that happened then definately he would come out and correct the problem. I reminded him it was his idea that I try to say money and have a couple guys I knew to come work for him...under his instruction...under his "FOREMANSHIP" is the term he used.
    He suggested that I arrange for us all to meet at my place to better assess the problem. He had already said how easy it would be to do, so my thought at that point was this...My words to him, (and I can hardly believe I did say all this. My emotions usually get in the way of me being able to communicate in a clear and precise manner...I do get my point across very well on paper, it comes so easy and no one ever has to question what I mean) I took a deep breath and said to him, "I don't know why you can't just step up to the plate, Micheal and do the simple job as you said it would be. And, I could arrange for everyone to meet but I don't enjoy having wasted time on something that's not going to change" I said, "So, quite frankly, at the point I would just as soon have a Judge decide. So that's what I'm going to do." He started to say something but I interupted him by saying, "I'm sorry but since I made that decision, I can no longer discuss this matter with you, and I'm going to have to politely ask you to leave." And I headed for the gate.
    He apologized, so did I. Then he said he would go back to the office and discuss this with two others, one of which is the Mayor. He said maybe...oh yeah he wanted to charge me 200.00...back to "maybe we can reduce the fees, and work a deal where we both could be happy. I said I'm not happy now, and I might not even be happy if you did fix it for free this minute. I don't agree with your business tactics, and maybe this should be a lesson for you not to tell future customers that they can have someone working for you, because I'm feeling pretty good about how the Judge will think. I tell you what Michael I'm going to send the letter I drafted last night, and then you go talk to your Mayor about it, Ok?" He said, "ok"

    So that how that went and feel good!
     
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    I meant...I feel good!!
     
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    I think it's an ego thing. Too bad he doesn't know me better, he might want to have me for a friend. I'm generally quiet, soft spoken and shy. I'm at my best under stress. And, I dispise unrightousness and egotistic carelessness towards anything, human or not. I stand for the good of all and for Oneness. I can't be defeated, mo matter what, because I live within my Hearts Soul. But he will not see me as a quiet little old lady that don't know anything, again. Even if if he does humble down and come back to fix the problem and call it charity. I will forever be seen differently more his eyes...so I'm ok with what happened. I'm not worried, it will get fixed. But, not today.
     
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    opp's... IN his eyes.
     
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    Ruben Miranda I am so confused

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    Good Job Great words and tactic and you did not cuss him out, Like I would have :razz:

    YOU GO GIRL (OH can I say that) :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:
    I say it with respect

    Ruben :goldfish:
     
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    Agree with Ruben, YOU GO GIRL!!! I'm also female, 54, live on my own, and question every bill I get for "extras" like plumbing and electrical, and car maintenance bills. I've saved a ton of money, too. When they send 2 guys to do a plumbing job (replaced my well pump for the SECOND TIME IN A YEAR ...), and charged me 6 hours, I questioned how that could possibly have taken 3 hours for 2 guys! They responded they had to come back to town to get parts. Now wait a minute, didn't you come with a truck full of parts, and knew what you were replacing, you replaced it last winter!!! I'm pretty sure I should not have to pay for one guy to drive to town while the other stood around twiddling his fingers. I won, they charged me 2 hours total. Saved me over $150! Sometimes just asking will get an answer like, "Oh, sorry, that is incorrect. Not sure who put that in that way ..." I don't mind who did it, just as long as you correct it, is what I always say. LOL
    You have that guy right where you want him, P42S! And, I think he will come back and do the work that HE should have seen done properly the first time, and you will win. Good for you for standing up to him right off the bat! I would love to have been there when you told him off in your nice way! That would have been priceless. Keep us posted. :)
     
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    Thank you thank you. I have a feeling he will not want to challenge me after he reads the notice for intent I sent earlier. Why would he when I made things so easy for him? What a nerd for letting get this far.
    I had a couple of very direct statements that will no doubt stir both intiminating and challenging emotions for him, in that letter. I said "I have been disturbed from the very beginnning, as my input was not paid much attention to." And, "that it lead me to think how the possibility for maximizing profit margins, could be reason for the cutting of corners. Ultimately, rendering the ability for sustaining normal maintanance, in an otherwise would be, properly functioning waterfall/bog featered pond" Bold? Maybe, but probably more neccessary for someone so "unresponsible". I did include examples of why that was a ligitimate thing for me to think...given the circumstances.
    I ended it with this:
    "I very much dislike having to do this, and it is unfortunate things were not given better attention. It is because of your awareness of things pertaining to the way my pond was built, and the fact these things have the potential of producing such significant problems, that I feel my aggressive approach to this is warranted.
    Also unfortunate Micheal, is that you feel unresponsible and want to charge me more money, for what you described as 'a simple thing to do'.
    I did not put a hole in my backyard just to poor money into, when what has been paid for, was to be a water containable pond.
    These are my terms, if you do not agree I want a Judge to decide. Negotiating is not an option and I will not consider it "

    So, he, his parter and the Mayor will make no mistake about this one thing...there won't be anymore "mistakes" made, while working on my pond. I'm just waiting for them to make a thier next move. Funny how he was prompt to respond with every other email I sent...I haven't heard a thing since he left at 2pm today. :boldblue: :) :claphands:

    You guys are great to support me through this. It really does help alot. So thank you for taking and having interest. Good night,
    Susan
     
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    Me too! You'd probably be a great witness, too LOL!
    I hope this comes out right I don't know for sure what I'm doing with this quote thing...
    Ok, not quite, but you'll get what I'm trying to do. I'll figure it out...eventually
     
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    I hope everything works out for you, it sucks to be left with this mess, they should have just fixed the problem and avoided the headache of court. There is lots of people out to make a "quick dollar" but few who are good at what they do and take pride in their work. I try to most stuff myself now, because I save money and hate to be "ripped off", happens to all of us. Good Luck Susan, hope you "kick his butt"! :)
     
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    You are one smart woman, P42S!!! I agree with everything you say and did.
    Get this. Drove to WI for the Thanksgiving holiday. Toll road all the way around Chicago, 5 tolls. One of them was $2.80, and I swear the lady gave me only 2 nickles for the change of $3!!!! I was driving away before I noticed it. Now, I realize a dime is not much, but if she does that to EVERYONE that day?????? That could easily make her I think I figured around $30/hr!!! Pretty good Christmas money to herself, don't you agree??? I almost reported it, but figured it was not something I could prove. Yep, people are screwing you all the time, you just have to be careful and alert.
     
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    I'm like you, CC, I do as much as I can by myself and always have. I've never been married and for the most part pretty much alone. Not the same as lonely...but I am getting kinda tired of having to do it all by myself. I am 57 and disabled (advanced bone degeneration) so it's getting harder to do things. That's part of the reason I built the pond...RR.
    But, work, battles and bulls_ _ _ _ life goes on. I'm ready to slow down and relax a little more in my life. I'm not going to run all the way to end...I'm not in a race.

    No, just a fricken war!! No word yet...there's a storm coming. So is the rain...
    I think I'm starting to get mad. I'm just a peacefull flower child :blueflower: ....that grows on a vine, and I'm gonna strangle this guy. errrrggg

    Ok, time to get up and go to the court house. can't sit out by my peaceful, serene and mellow waterfall until I get this done. Hhmmm, Warrior...Flower Child? Sometimes it's a jungle out there!

    Peace and Good Cheers,
    Susan
    there should be a peace sign with the emotioncons :lavalamp:
     
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    Susan, They are probally quite cause they are worried and hoping you are bluffing. You will probally not hear from them again. Not to worry, sure you will see them in court. Try not to stress, cause Justice rides a "slow Horse"! Keep smiling and love that big Puppy! :)
     
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    Sorry you are having this big mess w/ these guys and sure hope it turns out well for you. It sounds like you will give them a run for their money and do everything you can to get them to either fix or pay up. Here this should help a little bit [​IMG]
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    J.W. You make me laugh...lol...that's cool! Peace

    I forgot to log out after my last post, and just got back. And, I didn't end up going to the courthouse that morning, cuz it started raining. That changed everything, in my eyes. So, I sent pond guy 'one last email' and sharpened it up, to a point that could not be missed...

    It's the Yin in me and the Way of the Warrior...that gets me results like this



    bog 2a 001.jpg bog 2a 005.jpg bog 2a 006.jpg

    Aahhh...back to my yang side, and the bog building... to be my Flower Child self again

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    Oh yeah...I rest my case :blueflower:

    Cheers,
    Susan
     
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    Wait, are you going ahead and doing it yourself now? I thought you were going to make them either do it or pay for doing it, or both? It's going to be extremely difficult for you to ask for anything in court once you do it yourself, don't you think? Maybe it's different in CA, and I suspect it is. Here, you would have to wait out the system, give the owner at least 30 days to comply before taking matters into your own hands. I wish you luck, both with the lawsuit and the bog!
     
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    Ruben Miranda I am so confused

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    Country escape is right.

    You will have a better case if you do not do more to it.
    Now that pond guy can say you made it worse and it will be more difficult to fix or they will be saying that is was not a problem until she started taking it apart and blah blah.

    I know you have pics and all but you are fighting the city and the mayor so don't give them ammo or a leg up.

    And if you do fix it your self and want to be reinbersered for time and materials send them a notice of your intent and how much your labor and materials are going to be.
    They need to be a notice or you could get nothing. And be fair on labor Judges everywhere don't like to here inflamed prices.

    Ruben M.
     
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    Oh No guys, I have to re-build it myself if I want the bog to have the pvc filter system incorporated. The issue was that the bog broke through the berm because the liner had been cut to short. It wasn't until after that happened that I started searching the internet on how to fix the liner. That led to understanding the differences in the way a bog actually works and how to maximize it's uses. The origonal plan did not include a larger bog, or more important, the plumbing to run through it. They were going to rebuild it, but it would have been what it was before. I would have to had payed for anything more, and I understood that before I started making my demands. Not something I wanted to do.
    There were other issues that they were aware of though, but were being ivasive about how/when they would be fixed. Like a leak in the main water line and the float. I got all that taken care of, plus the extra size in liner. And, because the water had sit for a couple of weeks, I didn't want that mess recirculated. Not to mention the fact they allowed dirt even muddy rocks to be put in the pond without any rinse at all. So I had them clean out the pond...thouroughly. And, stabilize several of the boulders that they left loose! Plus a sealed bottle of BB starter to boot.
    No, I'm very pleased with what has happened here. I'm just dissapointed that I had to go to this extreme for something that I think was their responsibility...and so easy for them to do. You know what I mean. The Bog is my project and I can't wait to get started. This a victory and celebration! My big issue was just to fix the liner, and from my view...I got that, and more. :claphands:
     
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    Ruben Miranda I am so confused

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    OHHHHHH!!!!!!
    Those pics show the bigger liner added on ? and glud they did that or you did.
    I am so confused hehehehehehe

    It is awesome that you got them to fix the rocks and the leaks and clean everything.
    Great job

    Ruben M.
     
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