PVC pipe -- painting or coating (for a pond edging idea)

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    Let me start by saying that if anyone has a better idea/solution for this border effect [would use wood as a last resort], PLEASE give me your input!

    For part of the edging/border around the pond, I was thinking about doing something like this picture.
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    Was hoping I could use PVC pipe [maybe in various diameters], pounded into the ground just behind the berm. This would be a "border" also to contain a very small raised flagstone area, and would also serve as the "edging" for that section of the pond. The rest of the pond's edging will be stacked stones.

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    But I don't want WHITE PVC pipe -- would like it to be colored/painted/stained. I've tried painting PVC pipe in the past, and there is the issue of the paint coming off -- not good!

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    Does anyone know of a paint or coating that could be applied to the PVC pipe that would be more-or-less permanent and indestructible?

    I forgot to add it to the picture, but in the second drawing, top left where the words "border (PVC)" are, is where the bog is going to go.

    The "large rock" is an accent piece that we call the Sitting Rock, 'cause it's shaped like a sofa -- we can sit there and enjoy the pond :)
     
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    Seems like a great idea! I just finished putting in a bunch of wood like that - but it was expensive and I know it will rot in this climate pretty quickly. I might steal your idea. But yes, you'd need a good paint/stain for the pipe.
     
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    I have used the Krylon plastic spray paint for some plastic chairs that I have and it has lasted for 2 years with some, not much, visible flaking. I think it would take a lot of long term maintenance that probably won't be worth it in the end. If you are looking for a smaller area, they do have a smaller copper tubing that you could use but I think the largest diameter is like 3/4" so it might not work to edge a larger area.
     
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    Oh, I have seen bottles used, plus that would give you a great reason to drink a lot of wine. :)
     

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    @tbendl For the paint, I'm not as concerned about "flaking" as I am about it's scratching off.

    I like the WINE idea, LOL, but don't think bottles would be the best thing to have around a pond.
     
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    The paint I used on my chairs was for plastic and it has scraped off in some areas. They do make a high temp paint for bbq's and such that might be more durable. I'd grab a few bottles and give it a shot. And yeah, after looking at where you want the edging it might not be a great idea. I would think for a low traffic area it could work though, those wine bottles are pretty think and hard to break. + they are so pretty. Probably less so shattered all over your pond floor though. :/
     
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    Why not use abs pipe, it is black all the way through, you would just need to remove the lettering on the pipe with a solvent of some sort. I'm going to assume you don't get a lot of freezing temps in the winter because either abs or pvc pipe would crack if water froze inside of it.
     
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    The bigger the pipe the bigger the plant area or are you just going to put gravel in it .My neighbor has culvert pipe planters and it looks neat .He used the metal but they have plastic because that is what I used to extend my pipe under my driveway .The abs lettering can be removed with nail polish remover ,I have had to do that .Neat idea by the way
     
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    Sprayed on bed liner, like they do in truck beds? Super durable and I think they can come out to you and do it. Not sure the cost. Maybe a stucco type applications with concrete? Maybe look up a piping supplier and compare pricing for cheaper metals.
     
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    Thanks for this suggestion!
    Finally checked it out, then Googled for several other sites. All were more or less variations of the same technique. It looks good, and it might work. To experiment I think I'll try some purple primer on a couple of pipes. On one source I found (it was a forum) the guy experimented with several products and different application techniques, and he said that you REALLY had to gouge the "stained" surface to get to the white PVC pipe -- he said it was even almost impossible to sand the color off.
     
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    Gravel.
     
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    I have been trying to find some of the 2 or 3 foot round culvert pipe for planters like my neighbor has for by my driveway .They are not cheap
     
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    @Mmathis I've seen some PVC pipes like the ones in your picture, except they're made of metal. And after exposure they turn rusty brown, so you don't have to paint them.
     
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    Ooooh, PVC pipe made of metal -- I want some! ;)
     
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    That stain idea from tbendl sounds promising. If you do decide to go that way I would love to know how you did it and how it turns out. My hubby has used the Krylon Fusion stuff in the spray can and he seems to like that ok. Not sure about the no chipping but they say after 7 days it should not do that. They don't say anything about scratching. They talk about using another coat before 24hrs or after 7 days.
     
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    J.W, the difference between painting and staining [using this method] is that paint will stick to the surface, but it doesn't "bond" with the PVC. That's why it can scratch or peel off after time. And it goes on in layers that can be a problem if you want to join pieces 'cause the paint adds to the thickness of the PVC pipe.

    With this staining method, the solvent actually dissolves into the PVC and becomes part of it. I'm going to go out in a few minutes and experiment with some PVC pipe -- I'll keep you posted. Oh, and one of the links I followed took me to a site that carries the type of paint they used in this example. I think it was a bunch of small, sample sized bottles, which is good since they say it doesn't take much to get the color.
     
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    Jw, I used Krylon for plastic on my plastic chairs outside and it is pretty sturdy but will scratch off. I've had my chairs painted for 2 years and there are areas that need to be redone so I worried that it might be more maintenance intensive in the long run for Mmathis to use. Just my experience with it, although the high humidity might have something to do with the longevity of the paint. Everything cracks. peels, and melts down here. :)
     
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    @Mmathis Well lets hope you get fantastic results w/ this new stain stuff so you can get your project done and enjoy it for many years. This will be a good test for everyone here that might have a similar situation having to do w/pvc pipe or other plastics. Wonder if black or white pvc is easier to stain and cover? Wonder if you can use it in the water after it's all dry and set for the appropriate time.

    @tbendl yep she doesn't need something that she will have to keep redoing when it scratches off. I did notice on that Krylon site that it said to use in humidity below 85% when applying.
     
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    UPDATE:
    I found a 24" piece of PVC pipe to experiment on. I sanded one half of it [to see if the outcome was different for sanded vs not-sanded -- there wasn't a difference], and used a utility knife to make some random scratches & gouges.
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    Then I "painted" the pipe 3 different ways: with the dauber, with a paint brush, and with a rag.
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    I let it sit for about 3 hours until it was no longer tacky. After that I tested the applications. First was to sand it. Barely made a dent.
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    Then I used the utility knife. It was possible to make gouges that took off the layer of color. Scratches and scrapes took off the color. But I must say that it took some effort -- I really think that whatever you "stained" could stand up to some abuse.
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    Tomorrow I'm going to cut the pipe and try pounding it in the ground.....
     
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