UPDATE on Pond cycle

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A home made filter can be as little as 20 dollars here to build .Lava rock is less than 4 dollars a bag and tank adapter less than 5 or 6 dollars .Tank can be a tote or any kind of heavier plastic tank .I only add a small amount of salt for fish slime coat .
 
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A home made filter can be as little as 20 dollars here to build .Lava rock is less than 4 dollars a bag and tank adapter less than 5 or 6 dollars .Tank can be a tote or any kind of heavier plastic tank .I only add a small amount of salt for fish slime coat .
Would a bog also count? I am working on a bog.
 

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Calvin as I have just explined to you salt should be used for short term baths to rid koi of parasites and vica versa in the case of marine fish , it appears to me that whilst helping you we have recieved one bombshell after another on stocking levels you said 9 koi but really meant 17 fish now salt to protect koi from the effects of nitrites when the most toxic of everything in the pond is Ammonia .
When salt is used in the pond it then stays in there and has to be removed by water changes . if you need to use chemicals it can cause problems expecially with Malachite green, if you have to use it to treat your fish, did you know that if you have a Ph reading of 8.5 that in certaain cases rather than be benificial to your koi it wold infact turn it toxic which would then put your koi at serious risk of harm perhaps even death.
The best thing you can do to protect yourself from any of them is to not over feed feeding your koi, feed only that which they will eat in a five minute period. nothing more than that if your unsure less is best ok ......
Run a well maintained pond which is plain old common sense . "If I locked you in a room with a and added smoke to it then you would eventually die yes" ? well it's the same with any fish not just koi if you dont maintain the pond by regular vacuuming if you dont have a bottom drain you'll get problems with your fishes health (I wont go into all the things that could befall your fish but there are many incuding fungal and bacterial issuses.
Well maintained filters and water changes on a regular basis along with weekly perameter checks all go to help in keeping your pond clean in ballence and Healthy equipment such as U/V-C's should have their bulbs changed on a yearly basis this is because after 6 months of continual use they become half as effective and after a year are all but useless, so make sure your UV-C is replaced yearly .
Weve idenified through sissys posts that the filtration you are using can become blocked at intervals less than what the manufacturers recomend and that you should upgrade as soon as you can or make your own filters out of a couple of 45 gallon plastic drums or buy second hand from someone or if you can afford it buy new remember the greater the fish load of koi in the pond the greater amounts being processed by their intestine and passed out of there rear end (koi do not have stomachs just a slighly modified intestine).
It may be a good idea for you to by a lined book and create a section for pond maintenance , filter maintenance, water perameters, koi treatments and the results of those treatments and equipment replacement dates .
After about a year of writing your results etc into this book you'll see that it is giving you a working model of whats going on in your pond what you did to maintain the pond , the filters water perameters and treatments .
It will show you what you did to correct water quality issues what the readings wherre etc and more importantly the results of treatments to your fish what you used and what the results of the treatments where .
We kept those type of notes like this for over 20 yearsCalvin and it was well worth the effort :) .
Buy books on our hobby especially treatments for fish diseases bateria virus's , koi appreciation etc use the thread we did on our own library to get the details of each book then buy from Amazon Books US.:)
If you cant afoard new ones buy good condition second hand ones instead pretty soon you'll own your own koi library which builds into a sort of reference library , where you can cross reference things and after a while find a middle way through the differences of the same infornation each Author gives you , for example one says to equalize the differences in temperatures of water when floating a bagged koi proir to release , one says 30 minutes whilst the other one says an hour (which does happen) , so you say ok guys this is what your both saying I will do it for 40 minutes and meet them both each way :)
Buy a benching /treatments bowl from Ebay ours only cost £19.00 UK rather than buy exactly the same thing but at hugely marked up prices from koi dealerships use it for your salt dips anethatizing your koi etc .
Buy a microscope learn to take scrapes how to anethatize your koi, even build your own koi first aid kit from scratch using mainly household items .
Learn what to do and what to look out for when buying koi from either dealerships or private individuals "you already got ripped off on the 4 step Kuhaku" even how to build your own QT fasility .
We and others have done threads on all these subjects you can go into peoples profile pages ad click on the wording at the bottom of postings and bring these all up for you to use in learning about the hobby at the end of this you'd make a pretty fair koi keeper wouldnt you eh Calvin?
Bellow are the things I'm talking about from the library to the first aid kit and I've even added a koi linage chart so that you can understand them that much better.
All you need to do is apply yourself and use the threads on the forum to enpower you to do this(y)
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By the way the library picture is well out of date as we have now added many more books to it :cool:
Plus we bought a larger sturdier shelf after a bad fall I had trashed it when my weakest knee gave way one day without warning sending me flying :cry:


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As usual John you always give us a great laugh , sadly however Val is alergic to fish so I rarely eat it and besides mate "the wassabi tastes rancid" :eek: exscuse me "foot falls running into the distance , the opening of the Toilet door" :sick: oh my god :LOL:

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Calvin... a 10" koi is not nearly grown. Koi can get up to 3 feet long and live a hundred years or more. Your pond is essentially the same size as mine, and you'll have room for all those koi for several years, but eventually you will have to get rid of some or build a larger pond.

As for filtration... if you are on a budget why would you *buy* a filter? As mentioned, the DIY forums has plenty of info on building filters, and of course the bog will also provide filtration if you plant it heavily. My pond is primarily filtered by two 55-gallon barrel filters I built, however the border of the pond is completely covered in plants, plus I have a gravel bed in the stream. Creating your own filtration will work better than any of those high-priced units, plus then you know where to find replacement parts cheaply. If you want to keep a lot of fish in a small space, you have to diversify your filtration system. Don't rely on any one single type, and don't expect chemicals to make all of your problems go away. There should be no salt in the pond itself. Don't bother with algae killers or pH adjusters or any of that other crap. Your pond will find its own balance, and if you did your filtration properly, that balance will match the fish load. If not, fish will die.

If your ammonia levels had hit 5.0, your fish would all be dead. Considering how many fish you added, I was expecting you to hit around 1.0, so you got pretty lucky by only hitting 0.5. Since your nitrates are climbing, it is likely that you simply missed the nitrite spike. From my experience with new aquariums, it can be fast, so unless you check your water every few hours, you can miss it. Now you just have to wait for the nitrates to start dropping, however keep watching ammonia and nitrites, because with your large fish load you may get a rebound and see another cycle start. As mentioned above, the ammonia cycle is the only part dangerous to your fish, so it is vital to keep a close eye on it until the pond stabilizes.

I asked before, but could you please provide more info like where you are located and perhaps some pictures showing your filtration and what kind of plants you have in the pond?
 

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Yes, I was just thinking about pictures, as well. Maybe we can give you some better tips if we can actually SEE what you have set up.
 
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Nice, I didn't realize this was a raised-bed pond. That means your water temperature is going to be greatly affected by air temperature, and if you live in a cold region you'll have to work harder to keep it from freezing in the Winter. What are the dimensions? Looks like a good start, the only thing I can recommend is more plants! :D
 
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Nice, I didn't realize this was a raised-bed pond. That means your water temperature is going to be greatly affected by air temperature, and if you live in a cold region you'll have to work harder to keep it from freezing in the Winter. What are the dimensions? Looks like a good start, the only thing I can recommend is more plants! :D
I live in Texas! I have only witness SLIGHT sleet/snow was twice my 19 years.. It gets cold but it probably is not as cold as like northern states.
Not yet! They destroy the plants I had one lily first in there it has like 15 stems all got destroyed but one. It's in recovery :p
 
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Give it chance Calvin Rome wasnt made in a day you know "what is it about youngsters of today no patience I think" chill out and stop fretting it will spike......
I told you the ammonia would spike and the nitrite should go anytime soon my friend , that is unless your not listemning to whats being said and doing something your not supposed to do , if you are then sorry that'd be your own fault not anyone elses.
Are you feeding them , if so how many times daily we didnt feed ours their full quota even after they were cycled for at least two weeks

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