CW's Back Yard Water Garden Begins!


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Lmao too funny he's got the culvert in a seat belt ... Love the idea of culvert lol ... i hope they let you know about the collars to make a T out of the pipe and the end caps. they also have a cover for the snorkel where you can screw the cover to the pipe and no kids can get into it .
I had thought about getting aa plastic rod and drilling a hole on each side with the rod through the center of the snorkel so that no one could fall in . i took photos of the culvert as i cut it toward the top only i believe it was at the 10 and 2 o'clock position . i had two thoughts to this one was so if any debris or sediment did start to develop in the pipe the bottom was smooth and the debris could slide down the pipe toward the snorkel. T did not attach the horizontal to the vertical at the bottom of the snorkel as i set the snorkel about a foot deeper so debris and sediment could accumulate in this lowest area.

Are you using the culvert as the aqua block substitute?

I also pump air down about 3/4 of the depth of the snorkel to help pull the sediment toward the deep and and to give the bog all the o2 it needs to thrive.

I also thought about cutting the culvert in half to make it wider and less tall and use something like very heavy non woven to protect the liner or maybe even azeck.

Oh and yeah the culvert was placed on a good angle pointing down toward the snorkel.

If you are thinking aqua blocks there are two that i know of the aquascapes which i found to be more sturdy and a bit pricier then the easy pro version both were very close to the same size . i used both. one set in the bog and the other set was used to make a cistern
 
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ok after watching your video it's not saying where the bog is goiing to be i know at one point you were thinking around a tree that can be a challenge.
I wish i had the yard sloping like your does it makes it a heck of a lot easier to make your water fall into the pond. mine sloped away from the pond and it had to be built up with mafia blocks and excavated soils. One word of advice make sure you leave plenty of over lap between the stream/bog and the pond
or am i missing something
 
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i hope they let you know about the collars to make a T out of the pipe and the end caps.
They only had straight collars. Will have to fend for myself another way if I need to make tight connections. Don't suspect I do, though. Maybe one or two end caps would be nice.

Are you using the culvert as the aqua block substitute?
No, but that's not a bad idea. I was going to use the 12" pipe as the "centipede." and the 18' as the snorkel. I could only buy in 10' lengths, so I have a lot more 18" than I actually need. More 12" than I need, too, now that I have all the scrap 12" for fish caves that they just gave me. Nice crew!

On that note, I am testing some very cheap aquablox alternatives. Going to make a video about it eventually. Probably not sturdy enough to use in a bog, but definitely good enough for an intake bay.

If you read Aquascape's "Pond Builder's Bible" they still don't even mention any use of aquablox in their wetland filters. I feel like they were just brainstorming ways to sell more units. Can't blame them! I think it's a fine idea to use them in a bog, but a very expensive solution to what seems a very unlikely problem, especially if you have decent prefiltration.

Of course, I've never actually built a pond or had experience with any of this, so...

ok after watching your video it's not saying where the bog is goiing to be
It will be on the uphill side of the pond, in front of the deck. I've been tossing all my hand shoveling into a berm up there to give me a little more height for the waterfall.

I wish i had the yard sloping like your does
Funny you should say that. I'd always looked at the yard and thought, "not enough slope here to do anything interesting." Now I think it'll be nice, especially with the low berm I'm building. Nothing incredible—probably a foot of drop or less—but I am starting to see how it will come together and I like it. There's only 4" of natural grade change from one side of the pond to the other. My excavator added a couple inches to that while grading out the dirt that came out of the hole, but not a significant slope. Probably 6 or 7" now.

One word of advice make sure you leave plenty of over lap between the stream/bog and the pond
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We used that culvert pipe as a fish cave. Cut about a third of it off lengthwise so it would sit flat in the bottom of the pond. Worked great! We stacked stones along the ridges so you couldn't even tell it was there. We even managed to get hornwort to grow between the rocks, until our fish got too big and would root around and push the rocks off the top. We bought the piece off a plumber who brought us one about 6 feet long - we needed about 18 inches! So now I have a four foot long piece of culvert siting upright next to my garage that I use as a compost bin. Dump stuff in the top and every spring I pull the good stuff out of the bottom and then start over again!

We eventually switched to a clay chimney liner because I wanted something flat for a pot to sit on.
 
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We used that culvert pipe as a fish cave.
That's what I'm planning to do with it, too.
So now I have a four foot long piece of culvert siting upright next to my garage that I use as a compost bin. Dump stuff in the top and every spring I pull the good stuff out of the bottom and then start over again.
That's a great idea! Trying to come up with interesting things to do with my leftovers. I have a rain chain in the front of the house. I think I'll bury a piece os scrap and fill with river rock to make a little drywell for it to fall into.
 
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The cost difference between aquablocks and a standard pea stone bog is substantial and i don't believe the rewards are that substantial. I see the benefit for sure but a oversized pea stone bog i believe can be as effective
 
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No, but that's not a bad idea. I was going to use the 12" pipe as the "centipede." and the 18' as the snorkel. I could only buy in 10' lengths, so I have a lot more 18" than I actually need. More 12" than I need, too, now that I have all the scrap 12" for fish caves that they just gave me. Nice crew!
i would lean toward the other way a smaller snorkel and larger centipede. i'd be willing to bet most of the external pumps will fit in a 12 inch but i may be wrong as most have the discharge coming out the side i know the 500 gph i have in my bog would fit and would do the job just fine for a clean out
 

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How do you drain an 18" pipe into a 12" pipe, though?
Cut a hole in 18” pipe so the 12” pipe will fit into At the end and notch out the 12” pipe so the sediment can get to the bottom of the snorkel.
In this application the stuff doesn’t have to fit tightly, as long as the bottom of the snorkel is the lowest point and the bottom is pitched to it.
 

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f you are thinking aqua blocks there are two that i know of the aquascapes which i found to be more sturdy and a bit pricier then the easy pro version both were very close to the same size . i used both. one set in the bog and the other set was used to make a cistern
Got another quote from underwater warehouse for about 40 large easy pro blocks. Price has gone up about $8 from what we got it for in the spring.

An aside, We were thinking about getting a barge built, price jump from the quote we got last year to this year was like 40k. The tariff on Chinese steel, has brought it close enough to the cost of American steel that everyone is just using American steel causing a big demand hike. At least that is what supplier is telling me..... price hike on a lot of stuff now is getting ridiculous.....
 
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Cut a hole in 18” pipe so the 12” pipe will fit into At the end and notch out the 12” pipe so the sediment can get to the bottom of the snorkel.
In this application the stuff doesn’t have to fit tightly, as long as the bottom of the snorkel is the lowest point and the bottom is pitched to it.
Ok, that makes sense!
 
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Got another quote from underwater warehouse for about 40 large easy pro blocks. Price has gone up about $8 from what we got it for in the spring.

An aside, We were thinking about getting a barge built, price jump from the quote we got last year to this year was like 40k. The tariff on Chinese steel, has brought it close enough to the cost of American steel that everyone is just using American steel causing a big demand hike. At least that is what supplier is telling me..... price hike on a lot of stuff now is getting ridiculous.....
Unfortunately a lot has to do with the current bs . The project im trying to get off the ground is hitting the same road blocks.

If I remember correctly though didn't we get them else where. Maybe I m wrong I have bought and done so much the last 3 years. Hard to believe its been that long already.
 
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Liner is here! Came 4 days early. It's Christmas in October!
Don't rush it you only get one shot to do it right the first time . but your definitely off to a good start
 
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Fish cave excavations are in. The scraps I picked up were actually 15" culverts, so I ended up with a 3'x15" and a 2'x15" fish cave, cut into the bottom shelf just above the floor and pitched forward just a bit to allow water to drain out if I ever have to drain the pond (knock on wood).

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Unfortunately a lot has to do with the current bs . The project im trying to get off the ground is hitting the same road blocks.

If I remember correctly though didn't we get them else where. Maybe I m wrong I have bought and done so much the last 3 years. Hard to believe its been that long already.
Thought we got it from underwater warehouse, but could be wrong.

Fish cave excavations are in. The scraps I picked up were actually 15" culverts, so I ended up with a 3'x15" and a 2'x15" fish cave, cut into the bottom shelf just above the floor and pitched forward just a bit to allow water to drain out if I ever have to drain the pond (knock on wood
Nice pick ups, I had some culvert pipe left over from a job, and just tossed them in the deep end of the pond under the waterfall and A large stump root system I placed in the pond. Unless the water is turned off you can’t tell they are in the pond, once everything gets the coating of algae on it, it is hard to see even without it being hidden by rocks.
 
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@Jhn HOW MANY GPH are you pushing in your pond and how many gallons is it ?
 
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Your soil looks absolutely perfect for building a pond little to no rock but the sides both sculp well and don't seem to want to collapse.. The only note I can make is the edging that addy drew. There are many ways to do edging but that is by far the easiest and most effective. And don't forget that idea about having some water out past theedging rocks its a very cool detail. I put pitcher plants in one area along with some horse tail rush and its always a favorite for anyone who comes over.
 

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@Jhn HOW MANY GPH are you pushing in your pond and how many gallons is it ?
The pond itself is around 10,000 gallons, have a 10k pump to the waterfall that is probably pushing 8-9,000 gallons, and a 3000 gallon pump to the 12’x12’x3’ deep bog....so probably around 10-11,000 gallons give or take pushing through it. Also have an aerator in the mid level of the pond.
 
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I was about to start doing some final cleanup of the hole and putting in my underlayment when I decided to confuse myself with the question, "Do I need some bottom drains?" I'd previously decided the pond didn't need it, but now I'm revisiting the question before it's too late.

Bottom of pond is about 4' deep. There will be something covering the liner down there. Either gravel or some flagstone. The pond is primarily a water garden, but will be splashed around in a bit by humans during the heat of summer.

I think 90%+ of water gardeners do not install bottom drains, and everything works out fine. But I'm happy to go a little further in complexity now to avoid ongoing maintenance in the future.

I think I read somewhere in the forums that a BD system is pointless unless you also build a settling chamber system for it. I won't be building a separate settling chamber, but the pump will be sending most or all the water to an aquascape style upflow bog. I suppose that would serve a similar purpose, but could also cause clogging problems in the bog if I'm shooting crud off of the bottom of the pond into the bottom of a bog. That seems like... not a good idea.

@GBBUDD: I know you installed a BD system in your pond. What drove that decision? And are you pumping what it pulls directly into your upflow bog?

@addy1: I think I read that you had a BD on one of your old ponds, but decided not to have them on your current ones. Is that correct?

If I don't do bottom drains, I could also place some jets near the bottom to stir things up. Maybe that would be another solution.
 

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