Unnecessary guest on my fish fins

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    thank you so much for your reply . yesterday i was trying very hard to upload the pictures but after i upload it was showing 100% completed and the told an error occurred . so i wasn't able to upload the pictures but i will surely try again
     
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    thank you so much for your reply
     
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    for torn fins and red fins [the fins are torn ant the torn endings of the fin has dark red color while the other fins have light red color] should i add PARACIDOL FW [ anti parasitic copper based remedy ] or WHITE SPOT CURE [treats white spot , gill fluke, slime and velvet . removes and kills white spot bacteria , ichthyophthirius multifiliis from aquarium ] or FUNG-RID [treates fungal diseases and ich and cotton wool diseases] or BACTONIL FW [INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL ANT - BACTERIAL , effective against - skin discoloration , ulcerous wound, inflammations , mouth fungus , cloudy eye , pop eye , fish bite , fin rot ]


    since it is urgent and i have only these medicines now please kindly suggest me out of these medicines any one for torn fins and red fins .
     
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    Instead of regurgitating what's out there, I've just copied it over below
    Summary, medication will only help in the short term and will return unless you have worked out the water quality issue. Cycling between bad water and medicines will just stress out your fish continually. I suspect as others have, that your fish are very overcrowded and your setup has reached the threshold for removal of waste like Ammonia. If you are not able to get a larger tank, you may want to give half of your fish away to a friend who can take of them properly.
    Hope this helps and good luck

    Fin rot is caused by one of several gram-negative bacteria. Several antibiotics are effective; however, the root cause must be addressed as well to ensure the disease doesn’t return.

    The disease occurs when the fish become stressed by something in the environment. The most common causes of Fin Rot are poor water quality and improperly low water temperature. Overcrowding the tank, feeding outdated food or overfeeding, and moving or handling the fish can also cause stress leading to Fin Rot.

    Treatment should include a water change, and careful examination of the aquarium conditions. If there is food debris, vacuum the gravel and take care to avoid overfeeding in the future. Start putting dates on your fish food, as it loses the vitamin content fairly quickly after it is opened. Feeding fish fresh, high-quality food in smaller quantities is far better than frequent large feedings of stale foods.

    Check the pH and water temperature of the water, and make sure it is appropriate for your fish. Incorrect pH is very stressful for fish, and can lead to disease. Low water temperatures, particularly in fish with long flowing fins, can often trigger Fin Rot.

    Once the root cause is corrected, antibiotics will usually cure the disease itself.

    Treatment with a drug that is effective against gram negative organisms is recommended. The drugs Chloramphenicol, Oxytetracycline, and Tetracycline are good choices. Always treat according to manufacturer’s instructions, as the preparations can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. It is particularly important to continue treatment for the length of time recommended, as ending treatment too soon can result in a re-occurrence of the infection.

    The use of aquarium salt will benefit livebearing fish, but should be avoided in fish such as scaleless catfish as they are quite sensitive to salt.

    Prevention
    • Maintain good water quality
    • Perform regular tank maintenance
    • Keep proper water parameters
    • Feed fresh food in small amounts
    • Feed fresh food in small amounts
    The best prevention against Fin Rot is good aquarium maintenance.

    Change the water regularly, vacuum the gravel, and monitor the water chemistry by having a regular testing schedule, and documenting the results. This will allow you to quickly notice water chemistry changes that occur over time, giving you a chance to correct problems before they become serious. Do not overcrowd the tank, and watch for signs of fighting between fish.

    When feeding, keep the volume low. Overfeeding is the most common mistakemade by all fish owners, and contributes to poor water quality. Be sure to use fresh foods. If the can has been open for half a year, it has lost most of its nutritional value. Purchase food in small enough containers that it can be used in one to two months.

    Take care when choosing tank mates for fish that have long flowing fins, as fin nipping leaves fish more susceptible to Fin Rot. It is also important to keep water temperatures warm enough for fish with long fins, as low water temperatures will promote Fin Rot in long finned species of fish.
     
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    thank you so much . this is really very informative. the main problem with my tank is overcrowding so i have planed to give back the TWO KOI FISHES or THE THREE SMALL FISHES [ two goldfish and a black eye fish ]. but the problem is that one of the koi fish is my favorite and i have recently celebrated her second birthday . and the problem when giving the three fishes is that , the black eye fish is not cured till now [ the small black streak / lines are still their on her body and even her fins are torn and the main problem is that she used to jump out of the tank or tub or in any container i put her ]. I am worried that if i gave her back to aquarium she will continue to jump their also and no one will buy her or if any one buys her cannot take care of her properly as she has many problems . In India people don't know to take care of animals but the Indians are very loving that they love animals and buy them. most of the Indians keep their fishes in very small container like i used to do before [ i used to keep 2 goldfish and 2 angle fish and 1 small tiger fish in a pot [ not very small nor very big]
     
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    Can you set up a second or larger tank? Or get a big tote, and set it up as your tank? You need more water volume for the fish you have. You can either get more volume or reduce your fish. If you have a friend who likes fish, you can teach them what you know, and help them set up a tank of their own. The new tank needs to cycle empty for 1 week to build up benificial bacteria before adding fish. We have faith you can figure this out. I know you fear that if you give the fish away, they will die, but if you give it to someone you’ve taught how to care for it, you’ve improved it’s chances, and the chance of survival of the fish you keep. If you keep them as they are, all will die slowly. You can find a way to make things better.
     
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    thank you so much . I really like the way you make me understand.
    I'M planing to give my three fishes [ two goldfish and a koi fish ] after they get fully perfect can i keep my black eye fish [ 1 inch ] and a koi fish [ 1 feet long] together in the same tank as both are having disease .the koi fish would have mouth fungus every now and then but i'm able to cure it .the black eye would jump and is having black lines on the fin. No friend of mine is ready to keep fishes as they already have any other pets so there i'm not left with any option instead of giving the extra fishes to aquarium where people buy and keep the fish in a bad manner[ in most of cases i have seen this]
     
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    You know your situation and abilities best. If you can’t get a bigger set up, or a second set up, and have no one you can give fish to, selling them is their best chance. They may go to someone who does know, and can care for them well.
     
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    If I'm reading your posts corectly, you have at least 1 koi that is 12" long, and other fish in 6.6 gallons of water? I don't know that you'll ever have success if this is true. A larger water environment is essential or reduce the fish count to one small fish. Even that seems cruel. Koi grow large, gf can be but are a better bet for an aquarium, but not at the size you have.

    You never answered exactly Meyer's questions, which would clarify what a possible solution might be.


    btw, without knowing the water quality being used, IF it's just chlorine, it can be dissipated by air exposure, 24 hours or so. If it contains Chloramines, the airing out process won't help you as it sometimes takes up to a month and then, there's still remnants. If the latter, you should use the anti-chlor.

    If you're finding you have to do drastic water changes to keep the fish alive, you're doing something wrong, be it overcrowding or over feeding or not enough water movement or not enough oxygen in the water, or...you see the point. You shouldn't have to do this if the system is in balance. Find the imbalance and correct it.


    Just mho.
     
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    From what I have gathered, she can’t get a bigger set up, and can’t rehome most of them yet. She’s trying. I offered a few solutions on how to get a bigger set up, like using big totes. Read her bio, she’s a kid who is learning better, but can’t afford what she really needs. Which I totally understand. It’d be better if you could advise just what size set up she needs, and maybe some diy on how to set up a better pump
     
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    ah, okay, I see. Your idea of totes is the best re $$. Would need an aeration pump/stones provided for each to make sure there's both movement and enough surface agitation to help with oxygen mixing. I don't think I'd bother with a filter unless something could be set up to service all of them as the cost might get prohibitive. Having some plants would help with the gf but prob not with the koi as the koi will probably eat them. Unless some screen/mesh was put around the roots (floaters). For the plants, you'd need some light, artificial or natural. And of course, feed sparingly. No doubt water changes will have to be done with such a small setup, but I'd never do more than 1/3 at a time, taking into account the possible chlorine/chloramine situation of the water source. If ONLY chlorine, a separate tub can be had to off-gas the chlorine for 24-48 hours. If the source has chloramines too, you'd need the anti-chlor from the pet supply.

    The basic idea is as much volume as you can, minimize feeding, have plants to help filter (for the gf) and prob some sort of diy filter setup for the koi. And lots of water movement via an aerator or the filter pump.

    As for a diy filter; I made one out of a 5 gallon pail once. You need basic plumbing parts to outlet the filter at the bottom through a connected hose. The pail can be filled with bio balls/plastic shreddings/lava rock for the bio part and placed on top of all that, some filter floss/mesh/sponge etc to catch the main debris (which would have to be cleaned regularly as it clogged). The water would then be pumped from the pond/tote, into the pail, flow through the filter media, and out through the outlet hose at the bottom and back into the pond/tote. Either have two outlets/+hoses at the bottom or one 'twice as large as the inlet hose'. For my purposes (I was housing turtles indoors) I had the tote INSIDE and over the tote/pool/pond just in case it clogged and overflowed. A kiddy pool is what I used and would recommend here, IF you can get one, as the volume and surface area would work in your favor. I have no idea how much space you actually have for this pool, but totes should be easy enough to find room for.

    The largest problem imo, is too small a living area for too-large of a fish/fish load. The gf would be fine, and I'd stick with those unless you can get a larger pond some day.

    Hope this helps at least a little bit.

    Michael
     
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    yep so i will give them back to aquarium back but im really confused which one should i give
     
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    not only 1 but unfortunately i have two koi fish both are of 1 feet.i have planed to move out any three fishes . In total im having five fishes- two koi fish , two goldfish and a black eye fish[ a specie of fish -but i have not heard of it just the shopkeeper of the aquarium told me]
    Im worried because i don't want any fish of mine to go in a wrong hand....
     
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    really very informative .thanks for your reply.
     
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    Keep only what you can care for. If your tank is too small, they will suffer. So you have three options. 1) keep your favorites, and risk them due to lack of space. 2) get a bigger set up to keep them, or just your favorites, but remember, koi need a lot of space. 3) keep the set up you have now, and only the fish that will thrive in the set up you already have. That is what I would do. If you cannot get a bigger set up, then give them the best chance at a good life as you can.
     
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    If you could send pictures, we could advise better.
     
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    For what is 6 almost 7 gallons, I’d recommend smaller fish. I don’t know what a black eyed fish is, but if it is a small fish, that stays small, that is worth keeping. Goldfish need 20+ gallons each, koi 100+. I have an above ground pool, 4 ft tall, 22 ft diameter circle. In it, I have 6 adult goldfish, and maybe 8 juveniles, and am raising 12 more inside to move out in spring. So I’d need over 400 gallons for the ones I have, and I’d double it when I add the babies. The best bet is to plan for what you will have, not what you already have. I’m including a picture of the volume calculation I pulled up. With what I do have, I know I need a bigger better filter, and to circulate the water better.
     

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    This is the pool I have, and my indoor tank. With the set up I have, once I have better filtration, I can add a few koi. As my fish breed, I’ll weed out the ones I don’t want, and nature will take its share too. Ideally, I’d like to have 2-3 koi, and maybe 10 goldfish. Just enough to keep color and movement in the pond.
     

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    Sorry for low lighting on aquarium pictures
     

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    I have decided to get a new setup and i will put some fishes in that and the two koi fish in the old one .
    thanks
     
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