Fungus on my koi

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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    Noticed this fungus on one koi as I was bringing them in. Cold water fungus, what is best treatment? All water chem is good.

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    have u tryed methylene blue or green
     
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    Not really a good photo. Is the 'fungus' on the mouth or on the fins of the fish?
     
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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    IT's on the head and front top body. Where you see no scales is covered with yellowish growth.
     
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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    So far increases temp from 42 F to 72 F room temperature and 1 tbl spoon salt for a 5 gal pail.
     
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    Better photo. Now in 24 hours the fungus starting to turn dark color from white or yellowish. It comes off very easily also. What ever this is which I think is cold water fungus came on quick, A week ago I was feeding and looked perfect.
     

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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    What was the salt to water ratio for a treatment but not for a salt dip. So far I put in 2 tbl for a 5 gal pail.

    I think I had this same growth one year when I overwintered the fish. It went away as soon as water warmed up.
     
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    It is recommended that you start with 1 tbsp/ 5 gallons. I would not go too high with the salt dosage. Instead use a general anti-fungal such as Maracyn.
     
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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    Based on last photo what do you think it is? It is only on this 1 koi. All other 10 koi and goldfish of different sizes are ok.

    As per usual the different online sources give different medicine options.
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    I'd rather not venture a diagnosis based on a photo. That is why I posted the link to the site that discusses the 2 (two) possible diseases--Columnaris and Saprolegnia. You are in a much better position to diagnose this fish and decide the proper treatment.
    Sorry.
     
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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    I find very few photos along with a diagnosis on the web, so unless I start buying books I'm counting on pond forums for experienced advice.
     
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    OK.
    Then let's describe the obvious differences between the 2 (two) diseases. Columnaris is a bacterial disease whose visual symptoms are a cottony growth usually accompanied by fin rot with open lesions sometimes present on advanced cases.
    Saprolegnia is a fungal-type disease whose symptoms are also cottony growth usually around the mouth and gills. Because both manifest with a cottony growth it is often difficult to differentiate between the 2 (two) especially if symptoms do not manifest typically.
    With limited access that is the best that I can do. It is one of the two diseases.
     
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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    Well it's dead now. It doesn't sound like either one of them. It is not cotton like. I froze a sample for later study if it becomes a problem with the other fish. I scraped it off and couldn't find any ulcer sore etc.
     
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    Sorry I missed this wayne my what a sad state this guy gothimself/herself into .
    You should have gone through the older cases of fungal infections espeially the one with @Andy41which wasa rather in depth case .
    For future referance you could have anethatized your koi then removed the fungal growth by hand "with cotton wool fungus" , then treated any wounds with a dab of malachite then sprayed propolis over the Malachichite .
    However there has to be a reason for this fungal infection my friend but its a question of tracking down the why I'm affraid.
    What are your water perameters ?

    Dave
     
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    Thanks Meyer & Dave, when I saw this guy 3 days ago as I was draining the pond he had very little life left in him, sitting listless on the pond bottom. Water chem perfect. Another problem which I talked about is locally there is none of these treatment products around that you mentioned. Only thing I found was API Fungus Clear and has none of the ingredients mentioned that work.

    I did read the andy41 topic, but photos are deleted. He did say the fungus came back a 2nd time and then the topic stops.
     
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    looked like Saprolegnia , next time use methylene blue or green , i have treated fungus from it within 2 days it stops and starts recovering . normaly you dont have much time if your not treating them correctly they will die in one or 2 days , i dont recommend salts or other experiments if its growing fast in 2nd stage and u dont see any results , if its not the rite treatment u will not have time , i have seen similer one other person used salts etc on fungus and it died on this forum .
    use antifungal meds instead or meth blue

    https://www.theaquariumwiki.com/Saprolegnia

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    Saprolegnia
    • This fungus (infection) spreads and eventually kills the animal.
    Causes
    • Damaged skin or fins.
    • Bacteria infections which leads to further skin and fin damage.
    This fungus is often seen after fin-rot or skin damage has appeared and is called cotton-wooldisease due to it's fluffy white or grey appearance.
     
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    it can come from spores in air , i think it attacks weak fish ie injured or scrached , i think ur rite the environment plays role around pond , should not have dead material
     
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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    Time to stock the medicine chest with hundreds of $$ worth as none of those meds can be found locally and some are banned in Canada. Translate the internet and the dark web[not doing that] are sources. Only thing I found locally was the fungus cure, 3mg Victoria Green B and 30mg Acriflavine. Last time I thought I had sick fish was 2013 and turned out not to be. SO pay hundreds of dollars to keep meds that probably will expire by the time I need them again lol.

    In 2 days this guy was a goner. I said 3 days but I think it was dead the day before.

    So much conflicting advice on the web. Some say salt treatments and salt baths as a starter, then go to meds.
     
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    waynefrcan 13 years ponding and hopefully 13 more!

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    IT doesn't match the Saprolegnia. It doesn't appear cotton like to me, just a mass of growth. My question is should I treat the other fish that look healthy, and with what meds?

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