The ripple effect....need a good deck protector

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    yeh that is the major problem with composite decking PRICE .Thing is pressure treated wood these days is not old growth wood so will not last as long .I built both these decks in 2004 and they did not last long .Sad to say and made a lot of work for me .Plus the old screws were stainless steel and stripped and broke every time I tried to take them out of the old deck and had to use a pry bar in most cases to get them up .I then painted all the joists black and 2 coats of it before I put new boards down and used the star coated screws .Not an easy job by yourself .16x20 and 12x16 deck plus the pergolas .I hope they last .I tried oil stain and it turn black and had to strip it all off then I got a marine oil stain at over 250 dollars for 5 gallon bucket and needed 2 of them .But I got the rebate plus the senior citizen discount so that helped it come down in price .They even paid for shipping .But it was a real pain in the butt to put on and needed 5 days it said to cure right .I got it from a company online that sells stuff for boats and shore houses and docks
     
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    We put in a deck on the other side in 09, it was never treated and doing darn good. We might pressure wash and treat it when we treat the new side. We have good gaps between the boards. That one is lower to the ground and has the deck pond on it and currently a bee hive.
     
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    You can get Azek in 1/4" sheets too. I think I'm going to paint doors to match, then go around the sides and then make 2 X's at he bottom.

    When you sell your house Azek is a nice investment, the new homeowners don't inherit a bad rotten deck.
     
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    not here .no deck is an asset as houses sell so cheap .I know I will make something on this house only because of the views ,other than that most house's here sell for almost nothing .Mine is valued at 229 thousand but will not get the value .I paid 89 thousand new and my house is the biggest in the neighborhood and has the best views ,but that does not always sell things here .Look at other house I own almost 12 acres and near Bedford lake and Smith Mountain Lake and only paid 29 thousand .Not all expensive upgrades will get you money .People here see decks as just work and no value .Geeze here they stay in the air conditioning and very seldom sit out side .They are glued to the TV or cell phone .Even here upgrades in the kitchen don't sell a house
     
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    Agree with Mitch, just proper gaps in boards under hot tub, so it let's air circulate. If you don't reapply most sealers every couple years or less depending on location, they don't work all that great. As was said if you don't let the wood dry out it won't accept the sealer.

    If using a composite board under a hot tub joists need to be narrowed up, as composite lumber is weak. Personally, I would use regular #1 pine board it will outlast the hot tub in all likelihood. Parents had a hot tub on a deck for over 20 years and the decking under the hot tub was still pretty much ok, but the hot tub wasn't.

    Composite decks aren't all they are cracked up to be. On the dark brown deck pictured in previous post #16 it looks great, but dirt disappears when it is wet, so cleaning is a pain because you dont know where the dirt is once wet. Although it does hide it well. If that dark deck gets any amount of sun, you couldn't walk on it in bare feet. The composite decking, wood joists and kickboards underneath expand and contract at different rates resulting in screws popping.

    All this being said I do like it better than the standard pine board, but it isn't issue free. Just different issues. I have that dark composite decking on my back deck, fortunately it is roofed over, so some of the aforementioned issues are alleviated.
     
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    We are using southern yellow pine boards, treated.

    The original deck, was most likely, over 20 years old. We have been in the house 9 years, the deck was old when we moved in. The seller painted it with the red stain, but it peeled off, think the wood had a oil treatment at one time.
    We will put something on the wood, but in the spring the wood is wet

    I prefer real wood, the deck is full sun, and those boards do get hot. But you can still walk on them without burning your feet.
     
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    Meant treated pine boards, All the lumber I work with is treated. So I refer to it as pine boards while in my mind i am thinking treated pine boards, but should remember to say treated pine boards.
     
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    Putting a crap deck in won’t sell your house either. Lol. Kitchens and baths sell a house. I put 8k in my last bath it sold my house along with the kitchen.
     
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    This is a small rancher, on 4 acres. We bought it for the land. If we ever sell it will probably sell for the land, or we will just let our executor sale it! If we manage to stay here until we are gone............

    His previous house was 12000 sq, ex is trying to sale it, big houses are not selling. My previous was 4000sq, we sold it a few years back, it was in AZ.

    We like our low care, easy clean small house..... I have never worried about if we do this, or that will it sale better. I do what I want and like and whatever happens happens.

    We put in a very nice kitchen, for me, upgraded the smaller than a walk in closet bathroom, a better lay out, dropped a few walls, put in a bunch of ponds, plants, grass is disappearing.

    No mortgage, nothing to complain about!
     
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    image.jpg image.jpg When I did the patio I used Cedar for this L shaped bench, it was made of 2x4's on edge, spaced with 1x3. Good water run off. It was expensive, the first stain it ran all over my new limestone cap and pavers, just a mess, 8-9 years later it had huge ants in it, I tore it out, then I put the Azek on it, is pricy, but it's not composite either, after 9 years on the azek bench, it looked like the day it was put in. I will never put wood outside again, other than a bird feeder. Lol
    Next year I'm siding my house, there's a new plastic wood system that is notched so you don't use any J molding with vinyl siding, Ya it's pricy, put its done for 40 years. I whis I saw it before I did my shed last week, I could have tried it. I just did my shed as a mock up of what I want on the house.
     
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    Looks nice.

    I have some benches I had in AZ I hauled to MD, neat ones made with old wagon wheels and some sort of wood that is heavier than heavy.

    They have been sitting out in our wet, cold, hot, humid, full sun MD weather. Whatever wood they used, old wood, it is just like it was 15 years ago when I bought them.
     
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    Azek and those types aren't composite. Composite is crap. It's no better. I've seen a lot of bad decks, made a lot of money repairing treated and cedar. I wouldn't have one. The last one we re topped, and new rails was 18 k. They put cedar back on. Two years later it looked like old pallets. Lol.
    If ants don't do or carpenter bees get in, you don't put real wood outside. Period.
    When I was buying a house, I passed on two that had deck nightmares. Lol
    One was painted treated wood, bad idea. The other someone went to Home Depot and rolled deck saver on, real bad. I sad keep your house with the crappy deck. My new home I'm in now, I got a lot off price, one was the thing they called a pergola, it's all rotted. I'll have it down in the spring w/ a sawsall. Now if it would have been a alum or Kleer materials they would have got a lot more for the house. First I told my realtor to tell them to fix it. They wanted no part of that. 15k came off the house, crappy outside lumber does screw you if you sell. Unless the buyers are morons, but the house inspector will Catch it. Either way your screwed. With the new materials that last a hundred years, there's no reason to use wood.
     
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    I would not waste my money on it here when you can but house on acreage for 15 to 20 thousand it would be a big waste of money to put on an expensive deck .Houses are not a big investment around here .I used ground contact pressure treated wood for my underside of my deck and it is around 2 feet off the ground ..Plus I am 64 years old why would I waste my money on an expensive deck ,for what .My son is a contractor and licensed here and in NJ beside being a tow driver for the turnpike and parkway .Here they do not waste their money on home inspections and that is with wells and septic tanks .They just want a cheap price on a house .There is a big house that was built just before my house 5 miles from mine and it never did sell and that was back in 2004 and now is moldy and slated to be torn down .People here will not pay 200 thousand for a house no matter what it has .i looked at the house 3 stories before I did this house .Steps in house and 3 heat pumps ,no way was i buying it .They have been salvaging stuff out of it the last month or so .Depends on where you live and how deep your pockets are .
     
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    Doing some work to you house that lasts and is nice isn't a waste. Remember, money is only good here, you can't take it with you.
    I just moved, my hose sold before it was listed to sell, a guy begged to preview it a day before, it was nice, it sold that day, For asking price. Prob 20k over comps. The neighbors love me.
     
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    I sold my house in NJ sight unseen by buyer It did not even make it to the listing of it .It was by word of mouth .I bought it for 174 thousand and put 20 thousand into it and sold 10 years later for over 5 hundred thousand .So nothing sells a house except where you live and if there are jobs that pay and being close to transit in NJ for New Yorker's will sell a shack .Here no jobs but does not matter to me being retired .But addy built her deck and is now looking for a sealer not a new deck .If you maintain things they will last .The name I used was defy and is made for docks .Expensive but comes with a warranty .Also they say 6 to 12 months before you seal .They even sent me a free moisture meter
     
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    Thanks sissy I will check into defy, we are going to give it time to dry before sealing/staining.
    https://www.deckstainhelp.com/defy-extreme-stain-review/
    We find that the Defy Extreme Wood Stain to be the best performing water-based deck stain on the market. The zinc oxide nano-particles do double duty in preventing UV fading and preventing mold or mildew growth. The Defy Extreme penetrates into the wood grain extremely well for a water-based stain, resulting in a non-filming coating that is not prone to peeling or wear from traffic. We personally use the Defy Extreme on about 30-50 deck restorations every year in the Midwest and is one of our go-to brands.
     
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    Only bad thing I found about it was that you have to keep stirring it while you are staining .I had to also strip my deck because I used an oil first before I found out oil stains do not last under damp conditions ,they turn an ugly shade of black when they get wet .
     
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    Well no stripping here, one deck never treated the other brand new. We will just let it dry the clean it well.

    Thanks for the info Sissy
     
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    yeh I made the mistake of oil and no one told me .I had to strip one deck so lucky it was the smaller of the 2 decks .Your welcome .Defy is not cheap but if it worked on docks ,I figure it would work here .I think they have youtube videos also
     
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